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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:47 PM Sep 2019

Is Trump About to Face an Unfamiliar Scenario, Finally?

I am going to make some assumptions. They are that, for most of his life, Trump has been "the boss" and was able to use his money and power to manipulate and control his deals and situations. He could pay off, bribe, sue, threaten, intimidate and fire his way out of things. He could walk away and/or declare bankruptcy.

If fact, I think that kind of a streak gave him all that braggadocio and false confidence and that it contributed to his sense of impunity in office. However, now it is reaching a climax where he may be discovering his Achilles heel and find out that bone spurs was not his real problem.

I think the call to Pelosi about a deal was a sign of a crack in his narcissistic, delusional wall. Is this a point where it just might dawn on him just how serious the ramifications of his actions are and that there can and will be legal consequences that none of his previous tactics can remedy or prevent?

If that is the case, then perhaps we will see a real turnabout and some unexpected changes. Oh, I don't mean he will have a change of heart or reform his behavior. No, I mean this is going to influence his decisions and reveal the cowardice and vulnerability that is behind his facade, and yes, that means he many do something we would not have expected, otherwise. Although, public relations games could be played, it seems too late for that to matter.

For me, that puts resignation on the table as one unexpected outcome, whereas some say he will fight to the end. Keep in mind that his brand is also at stake here and that means the family is also impacted by the outcome.

What do you think? Is the reality of law and consequences going to dawn on him enough to pierce the bubble of immunity he dwells in?

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Is Trump About to Face an Unfamiliar Scenario, Finally? (Original Post) Newest Reality Sep 2019 OP
There were a few prior times when he had to eat crow I think. NCLefty Sep 2019 #1
I wonder if when he was a child, a Mexican housekeeper working for his family told him, "NO!" tclambert Sep 2019 #18
I have to think that 45's prime motivator is self-preservation and this would lead him to stay alwaysinasnit Sep 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #4
Decisions, decisions... You may be right, but I can't see him voluntarily living the life of a alwaysinasnit Sep 2019 #6
Assholes like him DENVERPOPS Sep 2019 #17
Yes! I say that a lot. Newest Reality Sep 2019 #20
Barr is already trying to get away with giving the House a "redacted" version Eyeball_Kid Sep 2019 #3
Trump may resign but Letitia James, the NY Attorney General, will still be on the job dlk Sep 2019 #5
Bet he has or will call in his VP safeinOhio Sep 2019 #7
Unfortunately for this trump... TommyCelt Sep 2019 #12
Right, but safeinOhio Sep 2019 #13
OK, this is way out there, but does anyone think he may .... Laffy Kat Sep 2019 #8
Not in his DNA canetoad Sep 2019 #9
You mean like Tom Sawyer? Kablooie Sep 2019 #11
I expect the Republican Senate all voting to release the Whistleblower report spooked him. Kablooie Sep 2019 #10
Are you asking if Trump is a spoiled brat? DrToast Sep 2019 #14
Kick and rec! Good insight on the Pelosi phone call. Mike 03 Sep 2019 #15
Thanks! Newest Reality Sep 2019 #16
I don't believe Trump actually cares about his family. . . Mazeltov Cocktail Sep 2019 #19
Check out the movie "The Grifters" (1990) rationalcalgarian Sep 2019 #21
I have seen that movie several times. Mazeltov Cocktail Sep 2019 #22

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
1. There were a few prior times when he had to eat crow I think.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:52 PM
Sep 2019

There's video of him testifying under oath in some trial. I'm not sure if he lost but there were times he had to settle cases and I'm sure it was painful to him on the inside after mouthing off about "I'll never settle!"

Of course, it's all on a grand scale now. That's what happens when you elect a career criminal to the presidency of the United States of America.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
18. I wonder if when he was a child, a Mexican housekeeper working for his family told him, "NO!"
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 05:35 PM
Sep 2019

Then he went crying to Daddy and got her fired. But he still has hard feelings about women, brown people, and, of course, anyone who tells him, "NO!"

alwaysinasnit

(5,059 posts)
2. I have to think that 45's prime motivator is self-preservation and this would lead him to stay
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:00 AM
Sep 2019

in the Oval Office no matter what, because the minute he ceases to be "president," he becomes fair game for criminal prosecution.

Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #2)

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
17. Assholes like him
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Sep 2019

Assholes like trump do not ride off quietly into the Sunset.

Their psychological makeup is more like, "I'll show you" and tend to go out with a "bang", pardon the pun.

His "I'll show the world" antics his entire life should frighten everyone to death at this point.....

The military needs to keep the "football" away from him from this point forward.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
20. Yes! I say that a lot.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:18 PM
Sep 2019

Hopefully, there is a Fischer-Price, plastic mock-up and they keep the real one off somewhere.

This scene from an old movie comes to mind:

"Made it Ma, top of the world!"

James Cagney in White Heat - Top of the World

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
3. Barr is already trying to get away with giving the House a "redacted" version
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:02 AM
Sep 2019

of the whistleblower complaint.

No. Trumpy isn't changing. He's in denial that his empire is close to collapsing. He has no limits, he has no laws. If he prevails, it's dictatorship for everyone. And there will be no 2020 elections. If he doesn't prevail, the risk level for imprisonment after impeachment jumps high. But the House may include Pence in their impeachment articles. There's a legitimate reason to believe that Pence was in on all the action.

dlk

(11,512 posts)
5. Trump may resign but Letitia James, the NY Attorney General, will still be on the job
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:17 AM
Sep 2019

One way or the other, Trump is facing a major comeuppance.

safeinOhio

(32,635 posts)
7. Bet he has or will call in his VP
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:51 AM
Sep 2019

and try to make a new deal. Want to be President? All you have to do is give me a blanket pardon.

TommyCelt

(838 posts)
12. Unfortunately for this trump...
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:41 AM
Sep 2019

Getting pardoned works on the federal level only. That dog won't hunt fly with the garbage heap of NY state prosecutions waiting for him.

safeinOhio

(32,635 posts)
13. Right, but
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:44 AM
Sep 2019

I don't think NY can get him extradited form another country. I'll take him leaving and never being able to return.

Laffy Kat

(16,372 posts)
8. OK, this is way out there, but does anyone think he may ....
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:58 AM
Sep 2019

Fake his own demise? Do I need to dig out my tinfoil hat? Could it even be pulled-off?

Kablooie

(18,606 posts)
10. I expect the Republican Senate all voting to release the Whistleblower report spooked him.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:13 AM
Sep 2019

So yes, trying to make a deal is the first crack in his armor.

I'll bet that his armor is actually paper thin so if the impeachment attack actually gets through to Republicans he'll deflate like a week old balloon.

If he were put solidly on the defense I'll bet he'll devolve into a pleading coward.





DrToast

(6,414 posts)
14. Are you asking if Trump is a spoiled brat?
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:46 AM
Sep 2019

Because, um, yeah. I think that’s been clear for decades now.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
15. Kick and rec! Good insight on the Pelosi phone call.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:50 AM
Sep 2019

He's so accustomed to fixing disasters with a phone call, relying on his position and alleged charisma. Her response must have been shocking to such a pampered brat.

Mazeltov Cocktail

(569 posts)
19. I don't believe Trump actually cares about his family. . .
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:13 PM
Sep 2019

I doubt he can be pressured into resignation.
I am terrified he will create an international crisis to deflect and divert. He does this on a smaller scale everyday. I don't want to imagine what shitstorm he is going to create to distract from impeachment.

rationalcalgarian

(294 posts)
21. Check out the movie "The Grifters" (1990)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:19 AM
Sep 2019

Angelica Huston and John Cusack... mother and son. Grifters both.

***SPOILER***

At the end of the scam, he is mortally wounded... dying. She has a choice: help him or make off with the money.
Guess what she does.
Guess what Trump will do.

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