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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's a bit of interesting information regarding the "transcript":
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Lisa Desjardins
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Memorandum of Phone Conversation: call was 9:03 - 9:33
Estimated time it would take to say all of the words released in the memo: 11 minutes.
Checked by the great @mike_melia in our broadcast software (time of spoken words matters a lot on TV) from @NewsHour
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dalton99a
(81,426 posts)President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden s son, according to people familiar with the matter, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe that could hamper Mr. Trumps potential 2020 opponent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176
dlk
(11,537 posts)What more serious evidence is being covered up?
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)CharleyDog
(757 posts)In the case of Trumps call to Zelensky, there is absolutely no reason to trust anything that Trump puts forward as a transcript. In fact, there are many reasons not to trust the document as offered. The biggest reason is that, as Reuters reports, no one made a transcript in the first place. No one is apparently pulling up a recording. No one was taking shorthand on the day. Whats being handed over is supposedly produced by stitching together written notes by U.S. officials who listen in.
dlk
(11,537 posts)Unless its a certified transcript, its just someones notes, no doubt highly edited notes. If Trump is willing to release even this much damaging information, imagine how much he is still hiding.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I'm a speed reader so
But Trump is a speed talker. 30 mins is a long time
Also as pointed out above no "8 times"
I feel sorry for the people of the Ukraine, their prez is a real toady. He was tossing Trumps salad telling him what he wanted to hear
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Anywho as damaging this is, the WBer's Complaint is the prize alongwith the testimony.
Arkansas Granny
(31,512 posts)Link to tweet
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Lisa Desjardins
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@LisaDNews
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Memorandum of Phone Conversation: call was 9:03 - 9:33
Estimated time it would take to say all of the words released in the memo: 11 minutes.
Checked by the great @mike_melia in our broadcast software (time of spoken words matters a lot on TV) from @NewsHour
Lisa Desjardins
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@LisaDNews
UKRAINE CALL TIMING more: Translation absolutely could account for some of this. Though Im not sure all.
We are trying to find out if it was sumultaneous translation or not.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)I want to hear the tone of his decrepit voice when he asks the question.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I know nothing about the Ukrainian's language skills in English, but Trump doesn't even have English to fall back on.
Arkansas Granny
(31,512 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,931 posts)However, this is doesn't exclude the fact some translation may have needed to transpire given the POS in the WH inability to speak descent, intelligible English. Also, natural pauses occur. I am not sure how fluent Zelensky is, so there may also be natural pauses in his speech due to English being a second (third) language. However, I would guess there is probably a few things missing, maybe just not as much as some may be thinking.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)However, it's not uncommon for calls between heads of states to include translation services. Even if one or both of the speakers is fluent in the other language, often each speaks in his or her primary language and a translation is made. That's for accuracy purposes. But, I don't know what was going on in that particular phone call.
Behind the Aegis
(53,931 posts)I was just pointing out that Zelensky was fluent, so the translation issue may not be as big a factor. Then again, looking at the "transcript", I have to wonder how many non-English speaking people actually know the word "swamp". I speak a number of languages and I don't know that word in any of them. So, IMO, there was likely some translating happening, which would slow the process, we also don't know what Zelensky's natural speaking cadence is. But, I still feel there is likely parts missing.
JPK
(651 posts)That should be the meme! Where are the missing 20 minutes? President Zelensky, if you are listening, if you can find the missing 20 minutes of dialog I think you will be greatly rewarded by the media.
eleny
(46,166 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)That is to say, everybody who works at the NewsHour. FACTS! checked there.
Arkansas Granny
(31,512 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)I felt honored every day by the quality of the product. Beloved for good reasons!
Liberal In Texas
(13,540 posts)It's selected copies of notes taken at the time.
A transcript is:
a written, typewritten, or printed copy; something transcribed or made by transcribing.
an exact copy or reproduction, especially one having an official status.
The audio tape should be released. This is a sham.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)There's only the contemporaneous notes and manual transcriptions.
The note released with the document today says this:
CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation, The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.
Liberal In Texas
(13,540 posts)They don't do it to spy on Americans like the president still is, but they record conversations with foreign persons of interest, like the president of the Ukraine. Problem is, of course, is would they admit it. And it's unlikely they'd want to release it. They're really secretive.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Link to tweet
Hmmm. That's strange, because we know Mike Pence had calls with UKR prez, yet no mention in "official" transcript. Instead, we get the revelation that Barr was working with UKR. Really??????????
hibbing
(10,095 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)What was said in those 20 mins?
W T F
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Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Watergate Tape. I think that is a picture of Nixon's secretary trying to show that she made a mistake and somehow there was a gap in the tape. Note: the 70s top of line push button phone, the very high grade IBM Typewriter. and so on...I don't know if it is real or a fake picture. But it is a great picture and an outstanding post...K and R. your picture of the secretary..
George II
(67,782 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,490 posts)Apparently, there are three transcribers listening to the call and typing the back and forth as quickly as they can. When the call is complete, the three compare their typed copies to clear up any possible misconceptions of the conversation on the part of the transcribers. When they are comfortable that they have the wording and intent correct, they then release the "readout."
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)So it could be from translators, but 11 minutes of dialogue vs 19 minutes of translation is still A LOT.