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ffr

(22,665 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:55 AM Sep 2019

Are we to believe that 45 wanted UKR to work with his two attorneys, when VP was already in the mix?

WHAT?

This makes no sense!! When has William Barr ever been involved with working with another foreign power on ANYTHING? And why not a whisper of, what we know, about Mike Pence's interactions with UKR????????????????????????

We know Ghouliani was in on this cabal.

We know Mike Pence was in on this cabal.



But wait. Is it not more plausible that if we substitute the known Mike Pence interactions with UKR for Barr's uknown interactions that we're being led astray by news that it wasn't the Vice President who worked with Ghouliani, it was William Barr? If so, why haven't we heard a word from Ghouliani already about it? We haven't heard from anyone, let alone Ghouliani, because it wasn't Barr he worked with UKR, it was Pence.

No, we only hear revelations of Barr after Dems act. Now William Barr, Darth Vadar, is thrown into the mix as the guy to fall on tRump's sword to protect the VP's involvement, the true co-conspirator in this UKR extortion scandal.

That's my take on this transcript bullshit.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
1. It's all very, very stinky.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:58 AM
Sep 2019

Giuliani is Fat Nixon's personal attorney, and Barr might as well be. Both are acting on behalf of Trump's personal interests and not the United States', and they both belong in prison.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Trump reportedly has an on-again/off-again relationship with Pence,
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:02 PM
Sep 2019

whom he both values and (very rightly in my opinion) distrusts. So...question mark?

Anyway, from what we're hearing he apparently blabbed about what he was doing to a bunch of people as it happened, didn't just involve Giuliani and Barr, implicating them all in his crimes.

lindysalsagal

(20,581 posts)
3. I'll bet there's more than one wife making plans to take the kids
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:05 PM
Sep 2019

To Grandma's house "for a while" this morning.

Gangsters promise their thugs that they can protect them. Thugs are dumb, or greedy enough to believe them. They never expected they'd have to tell their wives that they'll have to sell the house to pay the lawyers....cancel the private schools, the country club membership.....

ffr

(22,665 posts)
8. Thugs like tRump are dumb. Barr say's he's been blindsided by mentions in transcript.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:08 PM
Sep 2019

Maybe because tRump didn't consult with him prior to making this new story up, in an effort to cover-up Mike Pence's involvement.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Ah,we have to mention the true
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:08 PM
Sep 2019

Puppet Master,and the mystery person is=====Vladimir Putin.

Old Vlad has Donnie by the short ones and we are approaching the three year point of those high interest loans.

Zoonart

(11,832 posts)
5. Pence Gave Ukraine the Message Too
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:14 PM
Sep 2019
On September 1st, he met in Warsaw with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The next day he held a press conference with President Duda of Poland at which he was specifically asked whether he had pressed Zelensky to manufacture damaging information about Joe Biden and whether military aid was being held up until he did.

Pence started by saying he hadn’t and then proceeded to give an answer that made it pretty clear that he had, even if he had not mentioned the former Vice President by name. It caught the ear’s of everyone who was already following this story. It’s even more clear with what we learned last week.



https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/pence-gave-ukraine-the-message-too

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
9. I don't believe Trump would ever sacrifice Barr. He needs Barr.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Sep 2019

Barr could actually be in the mix because he has the power to open an investigation. Chump would have found him useful down the line. He would sacrifice Rudy (and even Pence) before he would sacrifice Barr.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
11. One thing to consider. By implicating William Barr, Chump has obligated
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:18 PM
Sep 2019

Barr to get them all out of this mess, and he's the only person I can think of who could possibly do it. Barr IS his Roy Cohn--that is not an idle comparison.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
12. Barr's compromised already. So if he's asked to take the fall, to the GOP, that's a millions times
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:31 PM
Sep 2019

better than if we find that Pence was the one asked to make calls....and DID MAKE CALLS to Zelensky.

Once Pence is drawn into this, the mess gets a whole let worse for republicans and I think you know why.



09/19/19 - .@VP spoke by phone yesterday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyyz. Trump plans to meet him next week
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