Is Anybody As Upset As Me About "The Democrats Hate Success" Strawman

[DemocratSinceBirth]

We want everybody to be successful or at least have the chance to be successful, not just a chosen few.

[porphyrian]

1. The definition of success isn't just the free market capitalist version.

They can't think outside of it, though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. There Are As Many Different Paths To Success As There Are Definitions Of It.

But the suggestion is we hate rich folk.

[porphyrian]

4. All serial killers drink water.

It's not a reflexive property. I would hope rich people know the difference.

[Bluerthanblue]

3. the truth is, our definition of "success" seems to be

quite a bit different than theirs.

If Mitt is seen as a super successful person, but is so widely disliked and mistrusted, I don't mind being seen by them as not- successful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. My Dislike Of Romney Isn't Because He's Rich Or Successful

I don't like his current politics.

The Mitt Romney who ran against Ted Kennedy in 1996 politics weren't so bad.

[Bluerthanblue]

10. neither is mine- what I was

trying to say is that he is seen by much of the right-wing as a Mega-success simply because he is super wealthy.

I DON'T see him as 'successful' in the truest sense of the word. In the way it matters.

His failures as a human being, which include his inability to connect with people, his lack of genuine compassion or concern for the wellbeing of others, his willingness to lie, manipulate and distort in order to achieve his goals. His lack of concern or provision for people he doesn't like or respect. His selfish need to win, at all costs. His pretending he "doesn't remember" when faced with truths he'd like to avoid. His lack of principal- of integrity.. When he said that he'd ALWAYS defend the right for women to have access to abortion because of what had happened to a relative of his- and now is trying to be the poster boy for the pro-life crowd- is there nothing he won't jettison to get what he wants?

He is a very secretive, aloof, and self-possessed man. When people are being trotted out from every corner of the country to try and "humanize" him, and still failing..... keeps him from being what I call a "successful person".

But bottom line???? I don't see him as successful, because he is constantly driven to want more- He has more than ample money, power, family, opportunity, and yet, he will not be content till he 'gets what he wants'. He seems to never be content with his life and his place in the world. That to me, is not the mark of a successful person. but that's just my own take on what it means.

[sabrina 1]

6. No, because it is a lie. And should be treated that way. What I don't understand is why

Democrats allow Republicans to dominate the conversation and why they do not fiercely attack every lie they tell. Why they call them what they are, lies.

Democrats want everyone to succeed and anyone who says anything different is a liar.

[reformist2]

7. Republicans don't think you've succeeded unless you're super-rich.

[Skidmore]

8. Needs a rejoinder of Republicans don't understand risk.

Who risks more? A wealthy man playing the stockmarket or the man who descends into the mine or walks the i-beams on a skyscraper? Who takes the greater chance? A hedge fund manager with his thumb on the scale or the person on the line working with chemicals or other hazardous conditions? How about the medical tech or the teacher or the nursing assistant? One person is risking health and life while the other assumes that that person's risk is their's for the taking.

[renie408]

9. Yeah, I get told all the time that I hate rich people. I'm a rich hater. n/t

[sadbear]

11. To republicans, success if fulfullment of greed and avarice.

[arely staircase]

12. their bs doesn't upset me

it motivates me.

[ck4829]

13. Their version of success means "Have lots of money"

It doesn't matter if you are born into it or how many people you have to step on in order to get that wealth, if you have money, you are successful.

In reality, it's projection. Just like how the Republicans don't want everyone to vote, they don't want everyone to be successful. Only a sociopath would view skirting the law and trampling over people to get wealth as success.

[renie408]

14. It doesn't bother me. It comes from a rather unevolved place, so doesn't bother me.

Don't let it bother you. It is, as you have said, a straw man and therefore a sign of the weakness of their arguments.

[ruhulaminrete324]

15. Absolutely agree with you on that.

As it is, it's not working.

[surrealAmerican]

16. Their definition of success seems to involve ...

... being able to use other "lesser" people. In order to consider yourself successful in their world, you need to see other people suffering.

[Initech]

17. Actually if you look at it - the Republicans are the ones who hate success.

They want all the money to go to the top and screw everyone else. And then they have the nerve to throw that shit back in our faces and say that we hate success.

[Ship of Fools]

18. Imho, the source of all of this shit is the question they keep asking:

"are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

I want to scream every time I hear this.

The question should be: "have we, as human beings, learned anything at
all since the last time we got together???" -- (i.e., the health of the planet
and the health of ALL of its inhabitants, man and critter.)

If tptb would change the question and conversation, maybe we could change
the outcome.

[DearAbby]

19. Define success

Dad as a welder, was very successful. He had a family he could spend time with, a home. It seems they define success differently...by the $$$$ in your bank accounts. How much taxes you can avoid. They should be protected, pampered and worshipped, or they will take their money and go?

They live in a different reality, and frankly I dont want to share it. I prefer my own. They seem so angry and hateful, if their lifestyle and world view is so great, why the anger?