Do you recall when Nancy Pelosi said Trump would self impeach?

[lunatica]

I do. It looks a lot like that’s what’s happening. Did Nancy simply just give him all the rope he wanted?

[dewsgirl]

1. I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

[Sogo]

15. And don't forget how many Dems were losing it because

she was going to be Speaker again, rather than one of the new, young, progressive reps.

I hope everyone takes a lesson from this about age and experience!

[dewsgirl]

16. I hope so.

[StarfishSaver]

20. You don't think Tim Ryan would have been more effective?

[Sogo]

21. You must be joking!

And I've met Tim Ryan and find him to be a fine person, but Nancy has been impeccable in her dealings with Trump.

[StarfishSaver]

22. Yes, I was

I love how she reminded Trump of her 25+ years experience on the Intelligence Committee...

[Sogo]

23. Whew!

LOL!!

[lunatica]

31. And that's only part of the time she's been in Congress.

Over 40 years.

She’s obviously picked up a thing or two along the way.

[Cha]

27. I was thinking about Tim Ryan

earlier today.. wondering how he was liking Nancy now?

[duforsure]

2. She was smarter than

Everyone else . She knew he would self destruct.

[RockRaven]

3. She simply told him "no" and he absolutely cannot deal with that.

He wanted to make a deal about the whistle-blower and she said no. And he lost his shit.

[lunatica]

10. And he'll lose his shit many more times with her

before she’s done with him.

[mercuryblues]

36. Yes

I caught the tail end of his rantings with the Ukraine President.

Hubby and I looked at each other when he mentioned gun control and how the Democrats weren't really interested in it.

I imagined the convo went something like this...

trump: Hey Nancy. You know that gun control thingy you want? You can have all of it if you lay off that impeachyment. Hell, I'll even give you the transcripts of the phone call.

Madame Speaker: I'll give you my answer at 5:00 tonight. Go have some delicious chocolate cake with 2 scoops of ice cream. Then take a nap, you'll feel better.


trump then made the announcement he would release the transcripts, backing himself into a corner. Pelosi gave her answer at 5:00 to open formal impeachment hearings.

She played him like a fiddle.

[barbtries]

4. there was a great thread here on DU

that Pelosi was channeling Roosevelt. She probably has known all along that he would shoot himself in the foot enough times.

[shenmue]

5. Yup!!!!!

[Cartoonist]

6. I got to admit

You can count me among those who wanted action a year or two ago. She just delivered a low slider with heat and got Trump to hit one into a triple play counting Barr and the Ghoul.

[lunatica]

9. I love this description!

[Volaris]

18. Yep as we move into playoff season this is the perfect metaphor.

Nancy is our ace starter. Keep dropping those inside sliders, girl!

[elleng]

26. ' low slider with heat'

[lunatica]

7. As a mother and twice divorced woman I think she did.

[MontanaMama]

8. I remember that as well.

She also said she'd rather put him in jail than impeach him, which I would bet the SDNY is looking to do. Who knows how this whole thing will work out but I agree that she was giving him enough rope for him to make himself a big beautiful noose.

[peggysue2]

11. I do recall that and wondered . . .

exactly what she meant. It's all coming into focus now and underscores the virtue of patience. Also, a keen recognition of who and what Donald Trump is, always has been. He can't help himself because that's the way he's wired, a twisted SOB.

Kudos to our Madame Speaker. She's been miles and miles ahead of everyone.

[MFGsunny]

12. Yuppers! Tough Triumphant Tactician - yes, she is. n/t

[lunatica]

13. You can't say she didn't give him every chance.

[Volaris]

19. Lol ain't THAT the fuckin truth!

[Claritie Pixie]

14. Yes and she also said she wants him in prison!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/nancy-pelosi-trump-in-prison-house-democrats/index.html

[lunatica]

17. Let's hope that was a prescient statement too.

Wouldn’t that be something?!

[0rganism]

24. we're witnessing one of the great moments in modern statecraft courtesy of Spkr Pelosi

if she brings down Trump, she gets her own damn chapter in the history books.
and if she somehow brings down Pence too, thus assuming the presidency herself, we're talking some Julius Caesar level shit.

Spkr Pelosi's absolutely schooling the naughty little children this week.

[FakeNoose]

28. I don't get the sense that Nancy wants to be POTUS, she just wants Chump and Pence out

I think Nancy is perfectly happy where she is, but she was so disappointed (like we all were) when Hillary didn't get the win. If Hillary were in the White House now, along with Tim Kaine, they would have been the Dream Team.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

25. I dunno

Maybe she expected him to eventually self-immolate, but I doubt that she actually knew what he would do that would (finally) really get him into trouble. If this hadn't come out, it's possible that we would be at the same place where we were before- just plodding along, confused about whether we were doing an official impeachment inquiry or not.

[UTUSN]

29. K&R - *I* do!

[GulfCoast66]

30. Nancy is smarter than many. Even many on DU.

She has always realize the only thing that matters is 2020. She knows Trump will never be convicted. There is no way 67 senators are voting to kick him out of office. But she also knew that impeaching before there was an easy to understand charge that even Americans who don’t pay attention could understand was political suicide.

So she waited patiently, taking all kinds of shit from her side for not rushing impeachment. Just waiting for the one time the Trump would do something that everyone can understand is despicable. And she got it.

So now she pounced quickly, and understands that we have to keep the impeachment about the one thing that is so easily understandable. It won’t drive him out of office. But it will win of the election in 2020.

I’m sure that within 5 months from now many DU there will be many bitching that he still in office. But that is inevitable. The only thing that matters is winning in 2020

[lunatica]

32. I honestly think he'll quit and skip the country when even he knows he's lost

Whether he takes his three oldest minion kids with him will depend on whether he needs to throw them under the bus to save his own ass.

[athena]

33. He can't quit; the presidency is what's keeping him from being indicted by the criminal justice

system for the crimes he has already been found guilty of (by Mueller). He has no good options.

[lunatica]

35. If it gets bad enough he can skip out to a country with no extradition

Agreement with the US.

Right now he still thinks he can become dictator. But if things keep going against him he will give up on that pipedream and have to devise another plan.

[GulfCoast66]

34. Let's actually beat him first. I expect one of 2 things if he loses.

1. He resigns and hopes Pence pardons him. Which he won’t.

2. Gotterdammerung. He unleashes the gates of hell.


But I do not think a 2020 victory is assured. Americans are very nationalistic.

Combined with the evangelicals and racist it is a potent adversary.