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ClusterFreak

(3,112 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:26 PM Sep 2019

Ok, help me out here...

Isn't the very fact that Trump asked a foreign government for dirt on Joe Biden - a domestic political opponent - in and of itself an illegal act and an impeachable offense?

I keep hearing all this stuff about 'quid pro quo', and the withholding of military aid etc. as being a key part of Trump's conversation with the Ukrainian president, and baked into the whole issue of whether or not he did or said anything impeachable. To me it seems that absolutely nothing matters other than the fact which Trump has admitted to, that he asked a foreign entity to look for dirt on a domestic political opponent.

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Ok, help me out here... (Original Post) ClusterFreak Sep 2019 OP
YES. It's plain and simple. Plus he admitted to it. Claritie Pixie Sep 2019 #1
Yes it is. BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #2
IMO it's both illegal and impeachable, but Mike 03 Sep 2019 #3
It's pretty clear C_U_L8R Sep 2019 #4
He keeps forgetting he's a POTUS, not a CEO n/t leftstreet Sep 2019 #5
You see--- there you go again! You insist on using common sense, critical thinking and the actual Atticus Sep 2019 #6
Lol ya what was I thinking? ClusterFreak Sep 2019 #8
Pundits are filling in the space is all lunatica Sep 2019 #7
YES Skittles Sep 2019 #9
At a minimum it was a very clearly a violation of... TidalWave46 Sep 2019 #10
'Quid pro quo' is an important legal term, because it refers to a spedific type of crime, NCLefty Sep 2019 #11
It's not quid pro quo. It's extortion. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #12

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. IMO it's both illegal and impeachable, but
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:31 PM
Sep 2019

Not everyone agrees that it was illegal. But it is impeachable.

Secondly, there may be more to this story. The incident was described as a pattern or series of events that included one promise to a foreign country. It's not clear if the promise was the implied promise of releasing aid, or an actual promise we don't know about yet.

The reactions of people who have read the entire report might yield important clues about how big this might be.

But you are correct: He confessed that he did this.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
6. You see--- there you go again! You insist on using common sense, critical thinking and the actual
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:34 PM
Sep 2019

law to analyze Trump's conduct. No wonder you're confused.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. Pundits are filling in the space is all
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:34 PM
Sep 2019

What they say is more for getting general information, but yes, the deed is done and it’s sufficient. The rest is only what the details could be.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
11. 'Quid pro quo' is an important legal term, because it refers to a spedific type of crime,
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 07:48 PM
Sep 2019

But you don't need an actual on-the-books crime to impeach. It's whatever Congress decides, which is why it's referred to as a political action and not a legal one.

I agree that one fact alone is damning, and important because it's so simple to understand.

I don't know what will happen next, but he's caught in a very big trap now.

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