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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:25 PM Sep 2019

Phone Call Showed Only a Slice of Trump's Obsession With Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

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Long before the July 25 call with the new Ukrainian president that helped spur the formal start of impeachment proceedings against him in the House, Mr. Trump fretted and fulminated about the former Soviet state, angry over what he sees as Ukraine’s role in the origins of the investigations into Russian influence on his 2016 campaign.

His fixation was only intensified by his hope that he could employ the Ukrainian government to undermine his most prominent potential Democratic rival in 2020, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

His personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, has undertaken a nearly yearlong, free-ranging effort to unearth information helpful to Mr. Trump and harmful to Mr. Biden.

And Mr. Trump has put the powers of his office behind his agenda: He has dispatched Vice President Mike Pence and top administration officials with thinly veiled messages about heeding his demands about confronting corruption, which Ukrainian and former American officials say is understood as code for the Bidens and Ukrainians who released damaging information about the Trump campaign in 2016. This summer he froze a package of military assistance to Ukraine even as the country, eager to build closer relations with Washington, continued to be menaced by its aggressive neighbor Russia.

When Ukraine elected its new leader, Volodymyr Zelensky, on April 21, Mr. Trump seized on the moment as an opportunity to press his case. Within hours of Mr. Zelensky’s victory, Mr. Trump placed a congratulatory call as he was en route from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida to Washington.

He urged Mr. Zelensky to coordinate with Mr. Giuliani and to pursue investigations of “corruption,” according to people familiar with the call, the details of which have not previously been reported.

Four days after this first call, Mr. Trump said on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program that he “would imagine” that Attorney General William P. Barr would like to review information about Ukraine’s actions in the 2016 election.

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Phone Call Showed Only a Slice of Trump's Obsession With Ukraine (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 OP
The call is only one piece of the puzzle.... Pachamama Sep 2019 #1
What Ifind amusing about this is WhiteTara Sep 2019 #2
I find it amusing that you think you know for sure Sugarcoated Sep 2019 #5
Well, whatever WhiteTara Sep 2019 #6
I'm interested in the idea that Biden is GOING to be his GE opponent... Volaris Sep 2019 #3
Maybe with help from Putin? moondust Sep 2019 #4
kick Celerity Sep 2019 #7
If this is true, then Mike Pence has first-hand knowledge in this conspiracy to extort Ukraine ffr Sep 2019 #8
And we only know what happened in 11 minutes of that half hour phone call. Vinca Sep 2019 #9

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
1. The call is only one piece of the puzzle....
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:37 PM
Sep 2019

There are so many more puzzle pieces and when they are brought together, the picture will be so shocking....

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
6. Well, whatever
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:10 PM
Sep 2019

I just know he has been rejected by Democrats every time he tries; hopefully this time will be no exception. I stopped believing in Daddy Warbucks and Santa so long ago that shiny teeth and constant gaffes don't charm me at all.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
3. I'm interested in the idea that Biden is GOING to be his GE opponent...
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 10:25 PM
Sep 2019

What if Warren is the nominee?...at that point, his stupid ass got himself impeached for NOTHING!!

What an idiot lol...

moondust

(19,978 posts)
4. Maybe with help from Putin?
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 10:45 PM
Sep 2019

GRU has probably collected intelligence on Ukraine for years, particularly since Putin's boy Yanukovich was removed in 2014, the annexation of Crimea, and the conflict with Russia in eastern Ukraine. Putin may have tipped off his boy Dump with some info about going after Biden. Or maybe demanded/requested something from Dump regarding the military aid to Ukraine or something else in return for whatever.

Pity the poor Zelensky caught between these corrupt assholes.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
8. If this is true, then Mike Pence has first-hand knowledge in this conspiracy to extort Ukraine
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 05:11 PM
Sep 2019

Which makes him a party to this crime as well.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
9. And we only know what happened in 11 minutes of that half hour phone call.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 05:25 PM
Sep 2019

I sure wish someone could produce the audio. Apparently the White House has voice recognition software they use for transcription so maybe there's something locked in Don Capone's vault.

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