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ffr

(22,665 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 12:40 PM Sep 2019

'Ukraine was just the beginning. It seems that there is much more to come.'

Trump Has Been Hiding Politically Damaging Phone Calls On National Security Server

Trump has been withholding phone calls with foreign leaders that contain politically damaging phone calls on a password protected national security server.



The appendix said, “According to white house officials that I spoke with, this was not the first time under the administration a presidential transcript was placed into this code word level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive rather than in national security-sensitive information.”

Trump is abusing the intelligence classification system to cover up his crimes and secrets. None of this should be a surprise, but it is a flagrant abuse of power, and the whistleblower report has done a bigger service to the country than anyone first realized.

It appears to have laid out a roadmap to Trump’s biggest potential crimes in office.

There are more damaging readouts of Trump phone calls hidden on a password protected national security server.

Ukraine was just the beginning. It seems that there is much more to come. - PoliticusUSA
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'Ukraine was just the beginning. It seems that there is much more to come.' (Original Post) ffr Sep 2019 OP
Pandora's box? pandr32 Sep 2019 #1
Well put! Subpoena the server! lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #25
The secret server is Trump's 'Deep State' dalton99a Sep 2019 #2
It's not a secret server. Ms. Toad Sep 2019 #7
You mean it's not on Pence's AOL Hometown page? leftstreet Sep 2019 #15
Media keeps using wrong phrases Marthe48 Sep 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #3
Inquiring minds demand to know saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #27
This generation's Nixon tapes? muntrv Sep 2019 #4
On steroids. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #28
We've Been Through This Before...... global1 Sep 2019 #5
I don't know if you're asking a rhetorical question, but this is how the Nixon tapes were obtained rsdsharp Sep 2019 #12
This will be much more difficult with Turd's packed SCROTUS. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #26
That's a pretty good run-down of the events FakeNoose Sep 2019 #48
Well, yes, obviously the firing of Cox was only part of it -- probably the smallest. rsdsharp Sep 2019 #50
Lol. Trump signs on to a conspiracy that a DNC server absolving Russia Hortensis Sep 2019 #6
more projection? dweller Sep 2019 #41
:) STBI's already described by psychiatrists as "empty," Hortensis Sep 2019 #45
this has been headlines here in Europe all day long as well, it's a simple to understand smoking gun Celerity Sep 2019 #8
So who has that server now? volstork Sep 2019 #9
It is not a secret server. Ms. Toad Sep 2019 #16
It is now being scrubbed clean with bleach. safeinOhio Sep 2019 #35
That was my first thought shanti Sep 2019 #37
The Whistleblower's report was written in July FakeNoose Sep 2019 #49
Trump backed the blockade of Qatar after they did not give Kushner the 666 loan. mackdaddy Sep 2019 #10
+1 ffr Sep 2019 #13
I am noticing that Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #20
Yeah, me too. It's scary when the rats all go underground. erronis Sep 2019 #30
Turd-In-Law (Kushner) gave MBS the green light for a coup, lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #29
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2019 #11
Jamal Khashoggi. How deeply was Trump involved in his murder/cover-up? Does the in2herbs Sep 2019 #14
I think an inventory of that data server is in order. pecosbob Sep 2019 #17
Who is shocked by this? CaptYossarian Sep 2019 #18
Filled with excitement and anger is more like it. Surprise only that there are digital records ffr Sep 2019 #19
Code word "Ivanka." NBachers Sep 2019 #21
But But her Emails. gibraltar72 Sep 2019 #22
Is every call the president makes recorded? Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #23
That's unclear at this point. ffr Sep 2019 #38
They are supposed to be. Flaleftist Sep 2019 #44
Will any of it come out any time soon I wonder. Kablooie Sep 2019 #24
Just like he abuses "executive privilege". Nobody is above the law in a democracy. Period. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #31
bigger than we thought; more damaging than we imagined Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #32
Can they not mention Jared's attempts to have a secret back channel server out of wiggs Sep 2019 #33
Watch Out! We, the People, Are Now Digging Dirt on YOU, Donnie!!! panfluteman Sep 2019 #36
E P isn't a free pass to escape crimes committed by a president duforsure Sep 2019 #39
NO SHIT Skittles Sep 2019 #40
"Lordy, I hope there are tapes" AwakeAtLast Sep 2019 #42
Intel better already have a copy of that sucker. NCLefty Sep 2019 #43
He really is a lawless piece of shit n/t malaise Sep 2019 #46
This is probably not just a single data server (IT guys correct me if I'm off-base)... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #47
Glad that this information is out there but knowing what crooks we have in the WH ya just know... brush Sep 2019 #51

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
7. It's not a secret server.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 12:55 PM
Sep 2019

It is the server designated to hold top secret information.

It is being misused by Trump to bury damaging information in places that it would be hard to find. But the server itself is not secret.

leftstreet

(36,102 posts)
15. You mean it's not on Pence's AOL Hometown page?
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:46 PM
Sep 2019


You're right by the way. The Twitter pundits/media keep missing this

Marthe48

(16,926 posts)
34. Media keeps using wrong phrases
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:30 PM
Sep 2019

I understood the server is equipment already in use, but not for what trump is putting on it. But the media needs to slow down and use proper description, or they will lose credibility. I'd rather they slow down their reporting and make sure they get it right.

Response to ffr (Original post)

global1

(25,237 posts)
5. We've Been Through This Before......
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 12:47 PM
Sep 2019

This is shades of Nixon's Watergate tapes.

The question to ask here is: How did we get access to Nixon's Watergate tapes?

And we have to use the same methods of how we got access to those tapes to get access to any other Trump telephone calls that have been secreted away.

rsdsharp

(9,161 posts)
12. I don't know if you're asking a rhetorical question, but this is how the Nixon tapes were obtained
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:13 PM
Sep 2019

1. Alexander Butterfield testified to their existence before the Senate Watergate Committee in July 1973
2. Special Counsel Archibald Cox asked Federal District Judge John Sirica to subpoena 9 of the tapes relevant to John
Deans' testimony.
3. Nixon claimed executive privilege, but in October 1973, offered the Stennis Compromise, whereby elderly Senator John
Stennis would review and summarize the tapes. Cox refused and Nixon had him fired in the Saturday Night Massacre.
4. Leon Jaworski was named the new Special Counsel.
5. In April 1974 the House Judiciary Committee subpoened 42 tapes. Again Nixon claimed executive privilege, but released
redacted transcripts.
6. Jaworski asked for subpoenas of 64 tapes to use in prosecutions of Nixon associates. Nixon refused, and the case was
subsequently appealed all the way to the Supreme Court which ruled 8-0 against Nixon in July 1974.

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
48. That's a pretty good run-down of the events
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:20 AM
Sep 2019

... but as I recall it, the Saturday Night Massacre was a much bigger event than simply firing Archibald Cox.

Nixon wanted the Special Counsel fired, and he ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire him. Richardson refused to fire Cox, and resigned in protest. Then Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus also refused to fire Cox, and he also resigned in protest. Next up was the Solicitor General Robert Bork who was 3rd in line and became the Acting Attorney General, and he carried out Nixon's order to fire Cox. This all happened on the same day - Saturday, October 20, 1973 - which became known as the Saturday Night Massacre.

An interesting side note, something I didn't know before, was that Robert Bork had planned to also resign after carrying out Nixon's order, but Eliot Richardson persuaded Bork to stay in office. Had Bork resigned Nixon would have had the opportunity to appoint a Bill Barr-type toady as AG in his place, and it would have totally derailed the impeachment proceedings.


rsdsharp

(9,161 posts)
50. Well, yes, obviously the firing of Cox was only part of it -- probably the smallest.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 10:45 AM
Sep 2019

The resignations leading up to it -- the massacre if you will -- were really what told the nation that this was wrong, and that Nixon was corrupt.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Lol. Trump signs on to a conspiracy that a DNC server absolving Russia
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 12:53 PM
Sep 2019

of interference in 2016 was hidden by Hillary somewhere in Ukraine, along with her 30,000 emails. Wonder if one of those phone calls will be asking Putin to come whisk his server to safety in St. Petersburg. This is a man who clearly visualizes cyber as something that can be hidden in a safe.

dweller

(23,620 posts)
41. more projection?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:23 AM
Sep 2019

everything *STBI does seems to point straight back to himself...
i'd love to see some psychological analysis comparing his statements and his actions showing the projections involved...

✌🏼

*STBI = soon to be impeached

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. :) STBI's already described by psychiatrists as "empty,"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:55 AM
Sep 2019

a serious problem. I'm having trouble understanding what that would be like, but take away some major space fillers like the projections that sub for reality on the right and his skull might just implode.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
9. So who has that server now?
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 12:58 PM
Sep 2019

Its contents will likely prove critical (and combustive). Or have trump's minions wiped it?

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
16. It is not a secret server.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:51 PM
Sep 2019

It is the normal server that top secret information is stored on.

He's just mingling in information he wants to hide in a place that is harder for people to access.

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
49. The Whistleblower's report was written in July
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:28 AM
Sep 2019

... and the White House knew about it almost immediately. We can probably thank Bill Barr for that one. So they've had almost 2 full months to clean their dirty shit out of that server. Hopefully more whistleblowers will come forward, but let's face it - anybody with integrity has already left White House employment.

mackdaddy

(1,522 posts)
10. Trump backed the blockade of Qatar after they did not give Kushner the 666 loan.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:10 PM
Sep 2019

I think that there is probably a pattern of similar behavior.

The Qatar incident seems a lot like this mob type shakedown. I would not be surprised if there are others.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/weeks-before-blockade-qatar-denied-money-to-kushners-firm.html

The government of Qatar, however, suspects otherwise. As NBC News reports:

Qatari government officials visiting the U.S. in late January and early February considered turning over to Mueller what they believe is evidence of efforts by their country’s Persian Gulf neighbors in coordination with Kushner to hurt their country, four people familiar with the matter said. The Qatari officials decided against cooperating with Mueller for now out of fear it would further strain the country’s relations with the White House, these people said.

It’s worth noting that the project the Qatari foreign minister refused to finance wasn’t just one more item in the Kushner family’s portfolio; it was Jared’s baby — his misbegotten, sickly, drowning baby.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
13. +1
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:29 PM
Sep 2019

I can see the old news stories being dug up for years to come of just how corrupt our WH is right now.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
30. Yeah, me too. It's scary when the rats all go underground.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:15 PM
Sep 2019

Just like the (R)epuglicons will do when their bowsprit peeResident is taken down.

Waiting to be (R)essurected.

Gotta have (R)eligion to believe this shit.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
29. Turd-In-Law (Kushner) gave MBS the green light for a coup,
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:10 PM
Sep 2019

which MBS acted upon in very short order. There will be records surrounding this activity too.

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
14. Jamal Khashoggi. How deeply was Trump involved in his murder/cover-up? Does the
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:33 PM
Sep 2019

secret server contain this information?

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
18. Who is shocked by this?
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:25 PM
Sep 2019

There hasn't been a single day that he hasn't committed an impeachable offense. Criminality just comes to him so naturally. It's like breathing.

And there's so much more we haven't learned yet.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
19. Filled with excitement and anger is more like it. Surprise only that there are digital records
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:29 PM
Sep 2019

We all knew this was going on. Republicans new this was going on.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
38. That's unclear at this point.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:51 PM
Sep 2019

Let's hope some of the conversations are recorded and congress gets to hear them.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
44. They are supposed to be.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:50 AM
Sep 2019

I think the Presidential Records Act covers this, which may be why Trump's White House lawyers decided to hide instead of destroy the transcript.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act


However, it has been reported that he does use his personal cell and has given his number to other world leaders.

wiggs

(7,811 posts)
33. Can they not mention Jared's attempts to have a secret back channel server out of
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:25 PM
Sep 2019

earshot of intelligence pros? Let's tie all these tendencies and attempts together! There is a pattern!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
39. E P isn't a free pass to escape crimes committed by a president
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 03:59 PM
Sep 2019

And this can't stand like it is for him, or it'll get a lot worse .

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
40. NO SHIT
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:23 PM
Sep 2019

he finally forced Nancy's hand, but what damage has been done we don't know about? Stuff that MAY have come out earlier WITH AN AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
47. This is probably not just a single data server (IT guys correct me if I'm off-base)...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:56 AM
Sep 2019

High-value data is typically stored with multiple redundant copies (Redundant Array, or RAID server), often in multiple locations for best insurance. Therefore, no one can just go somewhere and "grab" the server.

Another point is the evil cleverness of this move by tRump's IT people: if his data is stored on the same disks as high-security info from other agencies such as the military, that will make it much harder to gain access by Congress because the other data owners don't want their data exposed to investigators, therefore creating an excuse for not allowing an analysis.

Sort of like a thief hiding his loot in the basement of a police station.

KY..........

brush

(53,758 posts)
51. Glad that this information is out there but knowing what crooks we have in the WH ya just know...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 11:03 AM
Sep 2019

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the evidence of trump's treasonous calls are being or have already been erased.

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