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kentuck

(111,076 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:19 PM Sep 2019

Beyond the Spin and the Smoke

The President of the United States had his personal lawyer go to Ukraine to try and get Ukraine officials to find dirt on a political opponent.

He made arrangements thru those channels to have a phone conversation Trump and the President of Ukraine.

In his phone conversation with Zelensky, he was told that Ukraine may need more anti-tank missiles. The President of the United States then told him that he had a favor to ask? He wanted dirt on Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. He wanted the information to use in his political campaign for next year's election.

But, a whistleblower came forward with information he had gathered from numerous senior officials of government and took the information to the IG of the Intelligence Community.

The IG deemed the information credible and urgent.

Then the system broke down.

When the IG took the whistleblower complaint to the DNI, as the rules require, the DNI took the information to the White House and the DOJ.

He did not follow the law. He was supposed to send it to the Senate and House Intel Committees. He was not supposed to make a judgement on it, just because Donald Trump and Bill Barr were mentioned in the complaint. There was no executive privilege to be claimed.

The whistleblower was also informed of a code-word level of security that was normally used to store information about covert operations and other very sensitive material. The whistleblower was told by a source that the conversation between Trump and Zelensky was taken off the normal computer system and was placed with the sensitive covert computer system. Also, he was told that other conversations with leaders were also placed in this secret system.

Thru the smoke and the spin, these are the facts that Congress must deal with.

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Beyond the Spin and the Smoke (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2019 OP
We also need Congress - NOT the OLC - to define boundaries of Executive Privilege once and 4 all Moostache Sep 2019 #1

Moostache

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1. We also need Congress - NOT the OLC - to define boundaries of Executive Privilege once and 4 all
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:25 PM
Sep 2019

The idea of the unitary executive is dangerous and running amok...its time for everyone to codify the boundaries and get a definitive ruling on this once and for all.

The President is NOT entitled to secrecy while breaking the law...and ANY communications or records to that end are NOT to be hidden from the public under false pretense.

This must be the first legislative action after Trump is removed from office...

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