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Speculation: Would John F. Kelly have been the one to suggest funneling stuff into that server? (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 OP
Good speculation. he goes through so much staff it's hard dewsgirl Sep 2019 #1
He was in there for a "long time" compared to the rest who have come and gone BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #2
I think they are.😲 dewsgirl Sep 2019 #4
Quite possible canetoad Sep 2019 #3
Oh I quite enjoyed the facepalm it was during his Charlottesville dewsgirl Sep 2019 #7
Oh I know he was face-palming like mad! BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #16
It was great. dewsgirl Sep 2019 #24
Isn't he profiting from those lock ups? malaise Sep 2019 #5
He is. $700/child per day. Lots of profit. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2019 #13
You may well be right malaise Sep 2019 #15
I have been wondering if some of this stuff BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #18
Excellent point malaise Sep 2019 #19
I would tend to think not. GP6971 Sep 2019 #6
Kelly was fully complicit and onboard with #Traitor's shit Arazi Sep 2019 #9
Covering up the incompetence BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #10
I think it was Rudy. Xolodno Sep 2019 #8
Rudy might have known about some "systems" BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #11
According to Rachel tonight the hiding of Trump's DURHAM D Sep 2019 #12
That the irony in this whole thing. The crooked professionals knew it was poison. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #14
I know they knew BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #17
no, he is a bigoted asshole but he was also known to try to keep JI7 Sep 2019 #20
"but he was also known to try to keep some control" BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #21
why would sessions know ? there was another thread with a list of names that were not JI7 Sep 2019 #22
When I say "know" BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #25
We now know that WH lawyers are up to their eyeballs in this storage cover-up. MFGsunny Sep 2019 #23
I know they are trying to get McGahn in to testify BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #27
Kelly is not that stupid Zambero Sep 2019 #26
To me, when he made a conscious decision to work in the West Wing BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #28

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
2. He was in there for a "long time" compared to the rest who have come and gone
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:33 PM
Sep 2019

I think people might recall his bragging about "all the generals" that had been brought in. I think all of them are gone now.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
7. Oh I quite enjoyed the facepalm it was during his Charlottesville
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:41 PM
Sep 2019

Speech, the one from Trump tower.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
13. He is. $700/child per day. Lots of profit.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:54 PM
Sep 2019

He never did succeed at that "adult in the room" thing people said he would be. Maybe he didn't even try. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were behind the private server, and is now getting the reward for covering up for MF45.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
18. I have been wondering if some of this stuff
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:08 PM
Sep 2019

might be in the Mueller report but was redacted out. There were pages and pages that were blacked out - especially the stuff about Stone (and probably some about Manafort) because Stone's prosecution is ongoing with a trial supposedly due to start in November.

Some Stone connections to the latest revelations - https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/09/25/how-roger-stones-trial-relates-to-the-ukraine-scandal/

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
9. Kelly was fully complicit and onboard with #Traitor's shit
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:45 PM
Sep 2019

I have no problem believing he was the architect of this cover up of #Traitor's self dealing

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
10. Covering up the incompetence
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:45 PM
Sep 2019

by hiding the evidence would have needed to have been done behind his back...

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
8. I think it was Rudy.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:43 PM
Sep 2019

He was brought on to beat the Mueller Report officially....but I think he was also brought on to be Trump's new fixer.

It will also explain why he's been going bonkers, he knows he could go to jail....for doing things he put other mobsters in jail for.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
11. Rudy might have known about some "systems"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Sep 2019

from back in the old days (decades ago) when he was a U.S. Attorney, but he would have had little or no knowledge about, let alone access to, the newest and more top secret stuff and where that was housed. Kelly had been DHS head and Commander of the Southern Command prior... Also he apparently had issues with how DHS was configured and was being run - https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-homeland-security-a-mess-trump-dhs-2019-4

But one thing that I just saw in the link in this post, was mention of the name "Stephen Miller" - now THAT one is the devil and I wouldn't be surprised if he directed the operations and helped to engineer the coverups.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
12. According to Rachel tonight the hiding of Trump's
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Sep 2019

contacts/comments started from the beginning. iows - I agree with the OP.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
14. That the irony in this whole thing. The crooked professionals knew it was poison.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:55 PM
Sep 2019

So they locked it in the most secure server in the entire world.

Then 2 months later the idiot spilled the bean in a public memo admitting the whole thing.

The stupid burns.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
17. I know they knew
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:00 PM
Sep 2019

he had a tendency to be a braggart and a blabbermouth and some of them seemed to want to be a "firewall" to that behavior. But there came a point where they couldn't even take it anymore and/or were summarily "fired" and that was the end of that.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
20. no, he is a bigoted asshole but he was also known to try to keep
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:21 PM
Sep 2019

some control to avoid things like this and it was one reason trump and others didn't like him.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
21. "but he was also known to try to keep some control"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:34 PM
Sep 2019

As I noted - it's speculation mainly because there were few in there who would have been familiar with these top secret systems... However, knowing that deleting these damning records would have made things worse, then a decision was made to "retain them" but do so in a covert way, perhaps with the intent to come up with a "justification" later as to why they were put into such a place.

Every one of these data systems have some kind of audit trail/log for who was accessing them and when, so there will be plenty of records to be poured through.

Again my speculation would be about who in there would have had knowledge of such a system and it could be that the info about the existence of these various security systems may have come from him but perhaps someone else - like Miller - may have been involved in giving orders.

AND another one who has gone far far underground and who hasn't been mentioned, is Sessions. Sessions would have probably been aware of some of these systems too and as much as he was supposedly "recused", the question might be how much was he really "recused" and was he doing other stuff behind the scenes until he was dismissed?

JI7

(89,244 posts)
22. why would sessions know ? there was another thread with a list of names that were not
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:38 PM
Sep 2019

familiar to most and i think they may know more than sessions asks Kelly.

i think think sessions and Kelly are just kind of stupid.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
25. When I say "know"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:49 PM
Sep 2019

I mean that Sessions was in charge of the Department of Justice and most likely had awareness of these systems... And although he might not have personally accessed them, he might have had staff who could brief him on these things. And remember he was a Senator for 20 years and was on both the Senate Armed Services and Senate Judiciary Committees and I expect he has seen all kinds of top secret stuff over those years just through those 2 Committees.

They might appear to have been "stupid" but certainly Kelly had a long military career at the top ranks - and for me, having worked for the federal government for 30+ years, I know even the bottom folks are aware of the data systems in an agency, so anyone way up at the top would be aware (and/or would be briefed by their staff).

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
23. We now know that WH lawyers are up to their eyeballs in this storage cover-up.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:48 PM
Sep 2019

Wondering what, if any, of this code secret stashing McGahn knew and/or ignored.

The mind reels with best laid webs of spiders and minions.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
27. I know they are trying to get McGahn in to testify
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:59 PM
Sep 2019

(and he keeps getting "blocked" with the bogus "executive privilege" argument)

But I was just looking for one thing and found some wild stuff from 2017 about those earlier WH lawyers - https://www.npr.org/2017/09/19/552169759/obamas-white-house-counsel-weighs-in-on-trumps-lawyers

Marc Kasowitz
John Dowd
Ty Cobb

It was a zoo in there!

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
26. Kelly is not that stupid
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:58 PM
Sep 2019

He does not impress me as someone who would want to own this mess if the lid ever blew off.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
28. To me, when he made a conscious decision to work in the West Wing
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:07 PM
Sep 2019

then he automatically DID "own it" and his raison d'etre was to "get control" of an out-of-control operation. He never was really able to do it successfully but since he was there, he had to consider "self-preservation". And destruction of such records was a no-go.

My thing is that with all the staff initially brought in there who had absolutely ZERO government experience, someone who did have such would have been needed to give the wild wild West Wing some guidance about how things in government operated.

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