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Now tell me again why some stupid and ill informed voters wanted a businessman (Original Post) a kennedy Sep 2019 OP
Americans worship top executives DavidDvorkin Sep 2019 #1
Trump was never a "top executive" or even a mediocre one... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #14
He was a brand who sold his name and fake persona. That's all StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #15
No, but he was perceived as one. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #19
I think Americans worship the filthy rich more Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #16
More than the stereotype you summon misanthrope Sep 2019 #25
Yes, we admire the nastiest among us. Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #37
or billionaires nt msongs Sep 2019 #2
Or TeeVee Stars. 42bambi Sep 2019 #3
One who has never reported to a board of directors RainCaster Sep 2019 #4
Americans have been indoctrinated since the 80s that the private sector was superior. Yavin4 Sep 2019 #5
How do we change that??? a kennedy Sep 2019 #9
I think that it's changing with younger people. Yavin4 Sep 2019 #18
It didn't start in the 1980s misanthrope Sep 2019 #26
Yep. Lots of blame on Ronald Reagan for the lead-up to 45. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2019 #31
What was the old saying Andy823 Sep 2019 #6
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a businessman, Bloomberg is a truly successful tulipsandroses Sep 2019 #7
Most of the filthy rich businessmen are criminals and psychopaths Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #38
They didn't know he was a failed, bankrupt businessman leftstreet Sep 2019 #8
Probably because ... NanceGreggs Sep 2019 #10
Got that right...... a kennedy Sep 2019 #11
Because electing the last so-called business man Frances Sep 2019 #12
Shrub and Hoover were businessmen and their respective tenures were utter disasters. Dawson Leery Sep 2019 #13
Well pretty sure most of them would go to someone who said thinkingagain Sep 2019 #17
I suspect a lot of people still think that the government should be PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #20
Putin. triron Sep 2019 #21
They didn't really want him until he started acting like a racist, bigot. Hoyt Sep 2019 #22
Business had nothing to do with it. Countless bankruptcies? GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #23
Historically, corp executives and businessmen make shitty presidents... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #24
Trump is unfit to work at 7-Eleven dalton99a Sep 2019 #27
Trump was (and is) a conduit for their racist fantasies. John Fante Sep 2019 #28
He was the most racist of 17 candidates. That's why they love him. Doodley Sep 2019 #29
Trouble is repugs keep putting up horrible businessmen like W and trump. brush Sep 2019 #30
Not a real businessman, but an emotionally disturbed asshole posing as one... VOX Sep 2019 #32
He's not as much a businessman customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #33
He did what he said: He's running us like a (his) business. NCLefty Sep 2019 #34
Trump is a con man posing as a businessman DFW Sep 2019 #35
Those folks didn't want a "crooked dirty politician" yet they supported a corrupt businessman wishstar Sep 2019 #36

DavidDvorkin

(19,473 posts)
1. Americans worship top executives
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:15 PM
Sep 2019

Even if Trump is thoroughly disgraced, chucked from office, and locked up, that won't change, unfortunately.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Trump was never a "top executive" or even a mediocre one...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:49 PM
Sep 2019

He never managed more than a small office but did manage to destroy every business he touched.




TwilightZone

(25,462 posts)
19. No, but he was perceived as one.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:58 PM
Sep 2019

That's all that matters to some people. He sold himself as one and a lot of people bought it.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
16. I think Americans worship the filthy rich more
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:50 PM
Sep 2019

We seem to have this attitude that the filthy rich earned everything they accumulated, worked harder and smarter than everyone else and are blessed by a magical being in the sky with all their loot.

When in fact the majority of the filthy rich had the feudal royal luck of being born into wealth and privilege.They never earned their starting capital it was handed to them. Many of them are always high or drunk because having everything handed to you makes for a meaningless life. The great majority of them are criminals, at the very least con artists with some being thieves and most being swindlers. Some have run over and killed people (and never been held accountable) and many have proclitivityies for having sex with children.

If a magical being in the sky were to reward people with loot, why pick such horrid ones?

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
25. More than the stereotype you summon
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019

Psychopathy and sociopathy facilitate corporate and political success. Top executives are more likely to harbor a personality disorder.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
37. Yes, we admire the nastiest among us.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 09:05 AM
Sep 2019

But we don't dwell on their faults and disorders. We only seem to praise them for their excessive accumulation of wealth.

Yet when it comes to the poor, we love to dwell on their negative stereotypes. Politicians love to use the stereotype of the poor to cut benefits and give the filthy rich more tax giveaways. They love to put job and drug screening mandates on the poor for them to get life saving benefits. They shoo the poor off onto churches who require them to believe in an imaginary magical being in the sky to obtain relief from suffering. The stereotype of the poor is taken as fact and used to make policy eversince Raygun.

Maybe if we used the stereotype of the rich to make policy, the US wouldn't have to be abused by by stupid psychopaths like Traitor Trump.

RainCaster

(10,865 posts)
4. One who has never reported to a board of directors
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:28 PM
Sep 2019

Yet he managed to bankrupt his "success" six times so far.

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
5. Americans have been indoctrinated since the 80s that the private sector was superior.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:31 PM
Sep 2019

And that people who work in the public sector, government officials, teachers, etc. were all incompetent and lazy.

So, it's no wonder that they think that a billionaire could run the country.

a kennedy

(29,646 posts)
9. How do we change that???
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:38 PM
Sep 2019

When I was working for the state of Wisconsin.....people would ALWAYS say “oh well then, I’m your boss”. I hated that. Ugh....We have got to change that around.

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
18. I think that it's changing with younger people.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:58 PM
Sep 2019

They came of age during the economic collapse of 2008. So, they don't buy the "masters of the universe" bullshit. How can they be "masters" when they needed bailouts from the taxpayers?

Younger people want a return to big government which is why Sanders and Warren are popular.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
26. It didn't start in the 1980s
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019

Although it was kicked into hyperdrive then. Also, ubiquitous and ever more psychologically effective electronic media helped heighten the effect.

tulipsandroses

(5,122 posts)
7. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a businessman, Bloomberg is a truly successful
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:36 PM
Sep 2019

businessman who was a decent politician. I didn't always agree with his politics as Mayor of NYC but he served honorably. The problem with Trump is that he is a fraud. A conman. Nothing but a common criminal. People were fooled by the reality tv show to think he was a successful business man.

Its now interesting to see how many people have accepted his criminality. Its not hard to see how atrocities/genocide happen in other countries. It can happen here. People are almost willing to give up the democracy to be able to be racist out in the open once again, put women back in their places and own the libs.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
38. Most of the filthy rich businessmen are criminals and psychopaths
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 09:19 AM
Sep 2019

But we don't base our policy on that stereotype.

Yet we do base policy on the stereotype of the poor. Politicians love to put job and drug screening mandates on the meager benefits the poor are eligible for. They let churches force magical thinking on them in exchange for relief. Ever since Raygun it's been a ok to abuse the poor but the "businessman," the filthy rich, are off limits.

So then you create monsters like Traitor Trump.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
13. Shrub and Hoover were businessmen and their respective tenures were utter disasters.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:43 PM
Sep 2019

Anyone is willfully ignorant if they believed Trump would be any better.

thinkingagain

(906 posts)
17. Well pretty sure most of them would go to someone who said
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:55 PM
Sep 2019

Who said “ I’m not a doctor but I play one on tv”

But it’s ok to have someone run your country who plays a business man on tv
But continually fails as one in real life

Oh what am I saying most probably would go to a fake doctor and then say but he’s on tv.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
20. I suspect a lot of people still think that the government should be
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:05 PM
Sep 2019

run like a business, showing they have no clue how either one actually is run, and how incredibly different they are. Same with saying dumb things about how if household budgets have to balance, then government budgets must also balance.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. They didn't really want him until he started acting like a racist, bigot.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019

He was in the pack in primaries until he started bashing immigrants, BLM, etc.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. Business had nothing to do with it. Countless bankruptcies?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:41 PM
Sep 2019

It was the racism, xenophobia and abortion. And a backlash at having a black president.

That and the anti-intellectual trend taking hold. Science is wrecking all their sacred cows.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
28. Trump was (and is) a conduit for their racist fantasies.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019

Deport the Mexicans, ban the Muslims, build the wall, etc. This is the King of the Birthers, remember?

Make America White Again. Nothing else matters to Trump voters.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
32. Not a real businessman, but an emotionally disturbed asshole posing as one...
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:36 AM
Sep 2019

That said, hopefully most Americans now understand that running a business is worlds different than running a country.

Unfortunately, I no longer trust the American people to use their heads and do the right thing.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
33. He's not as much a businessman
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:45 AM
Sep 2019

as he is an entertainer. That apprentice show of his gave him a following.

It worked the same way when Schwarzenegger became governor of California.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
34. He did what he said: He's running us like a (his) business.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:20 AM
Sep 2019

The shady and corrupt Trump Organization.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
35. Trump is a con man posing as a businessman
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:24 AM
Sep 2019

Someone like Bloomberg may not have been what I wanted, but at least he wouldn't scare, disgust and embarrass me. Failed, phony businessmen like Bush, Jr. and Trump manage to do all three, from day one, and 24/7.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
36. Those folks didn't want a "crooked dirty politician" yet they supported a corrupt businessman
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:47 AM
Sep 2019

Amazing that they will still say they oppose impeachment inquiry because they don't like for politicians to dig up dirt and want them to just run the country, yet "digging up dirt" is exactly what Trump & Co. have been doing along with fabricating and spreading falsehoods about opponents.

His cult thinks its okay that he has conducted nonstop self-serving campaigning along with profiting off his position in every possible way in their delusion that he's some great businessman who knows how to run things.

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