Who knew? There's a group even more pathetic than incels: MGTOW

[Coventina]

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way

These guys think that women are pure evil and have ruined EVERYTHING! Men now have no power in modern society and women have all of it.(!)

So they advocate for male separatism: no relations with women whatsoever. If you are married, get divorced! If you are in a relationship with a woman, end it! Going monk - they call it.

And guess who is their great model and exemplar for this lifestyle?

Wait for it.....



















BATMAN!!!


Apparently they don't realize that:
a) he's a fictional character
b) he rescues EVERYONE, regardless of gender
c) he has a much loved and respected protege in Batgirl
d) he has a long-term (though complicated and on again, off again) relationship with Catwoman, not to mention other serious girlfriends from time to time.

These guys are so pathetic they don't even realize they're pathetic.
Wow.

[TexasBushwhacker]

1. Do they get a group discount on Fleshlights? N/t

[Dave in VA]

8. You owe me a new laptop!

I just spewed soda all over mine!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! SOOOOOOOOOOO HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nevilledog]

22. Pshaw........ Nothing beats a warm apple pie.

[NCLefty]

45. OMG !

[fleur-de-lisa]

2. I'm sure they will be missed . . . not.

[Nay]

16. Yeah, they keep saying they're going to Go Their Own Way, but they never do. Just

GTFOH, I say, and don't come back. Make your own man-operated world and stay there. Oh, wait . . . nearly every corner of the world is man-operated, and they still can't find a place to be themselves?

Look in the mirror, dude, and see the real problem.

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

3. Old rumor

Years ago somewhere I saw a rumor that Batman is gay, and that he and Boy Wonder are lovers.

[Coventina]

40. That's a popular theory in a subset of fans. Mostly female slash fans.

But not really taken all that seriously by the fandom at large.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

56. That goes back to 'Seduction of the Innocent,' a book in the 1950's condemning comics.

[Newest Reality]

5. Yeah...

You come across that stuff if you get around enough online.

Well, they won't be having children most likely, huh? Bringing back the celibate monk style? Well, it's not new.

Seriously though, the more you look into this kind of phenomena, the more it becomes obvious that this is about something more fundamental going on in our culture as a result of rapid change and in regards to adaptation. I can appreciate people enjoying a good laugh or resorting to ridicule, but there have been changes and reactions that are deeply troubling and not being addressed. The prevalence of such changes in behavior and outlook by certain groups could be said to be symptomatic.

There are some people who have looked into it carefully though and may be getting some insight in how to deal with it now in a proactive way. It isn't all that complicated, but it is more intricate than one would imagine from a perfunctory view. There are certain biases that also prevent discussion of it in some arenas. However, it does require more investigation if we want to get to the crux of cause of some of the horrible results we are seeing when it manifests in certain ways.

The more you know...

[Coventina]

41. Sorry, not interested in trying to reach this crowd. If they seriously think "women are in charge"

of modern society, they have no concept of reality.

[Newest Reality]

42. It is more broad than that...

I wasn't even suggesting that you need to reach them. However, may I suggest that dismissing it simplistically might contribute to a problem we are having.

I see you have your mind made up, but understanding it would be very beneficial to our culture right now. It is not about a simple talking point like that at all. Considering you are not just talking about a small group of young men, it is hard to just brush it aside. Understanding it in depth is quite a mind opener.

Reality is a concept in contrast to actuality. What is reality?

[Coventina]

46. Uh, in what way should I attempt to "understand" these hate-filled morons? n/t

[Newest Reality]

48. I respect your views...

It is up to you, of course. I did some research.

I have biases. We all do.

I tend to look at processes, not just contents.

It is a choice.

[Newest Reality]

50. To be fair...

There is research that is trying to understand what is going on with these men's movements. To just condemn them is not a solution and can contribute to the problem. It is more deep and complex than people tend to realize. There are social, cultural, psychological and biological factors that contribute to this.

It helps to have some insight into the issues. The how is more important than the who or why. This could be called a failure of masculinity and does not just center around individuals. This is not about a condemnation of women or feminism and does not even suggest condoning the negative social consequences that erupt from the problem itself. There are people, like Dr. Jordan Peterson and Natalie Wynn, who not only understand what is going on, they are reaching out to them which works much better than merely condemning, denigrating and castigating them even more. It is serious societal problem that deserves more analysis in order to avert the tragic results that can result from the few that break bad.

It is important not to paint the whole thing with a broad brush, of course, just like we wouldn't fall prey to thinking that what some people say about any group applies to all of them as per racism, homophobia, etc.

If you are curious and open, this article goes into the problem more in depth and also has resources. I chose this one for that reason, but you will find scores and scores of studies and much more information on this phenomenon. You will also get an insight about radicalization and what foments it and why this is a growing concern.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/201804/the-incel-movement

https://contrapoints.fandom.com/wiki/Incels
(also see her video called: Men. If you are not prudish that is)

[Mike 03]

54. sekkusu shinai shokogun (Celibacy Syndrome)

I'm actually quite interested in this too. In Japan there is a group of men who are somewhat similar (not exactly) and they are a subset of a larger phenomenon. So Japan was where I first read about this, and there were some very in-depth articles but I never printed them out nor could I find them now. It does seem very interesting. I don't really oppose it, or have strong positive or negative opinions about it, as long as they are non-violent. Here is one article I did find:

Young People in Japan Have Given Up on Sex

The evidence: Japan’s population is declining and is projected to dive a further third by 2060, with fewer babies born in 2012 than in any year on record (and a corollary: adult diapers outselling baby diapers). Haworth cites a survey that found that “61 percent of unmarried men and 49 percent of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship,” and a study showing that 30 percent of people under 30 have never dated. Women in their 20s have a 1 in 4 chance of never marrying, according to the Japanese Population Institute, and a 40 percent chance of remaining child-free. Another study indicates that 45 percent of women and more than 25 percent of men “were not interested in or despised sexual contact.”

Link: https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/10/celibacy-syndrome-in-japan-why-aren-t-young-people-interested-in-sex-or-relationships.html

[Newest Reality]

55. Thanks for bringing that up.

We do have some deep and prevalent social issues going on in the world, obviously, and they do relate to various results and reactions we are seeing.

I am glad you brought up the celibacy syndrome in Japan. I have been looking into that myself.

The factors of alienation and isolation play into this. In America, around one in four people don't even have a close friend or confidant, from what studies have shown. That is very much related to the other factors we see emerging. Just how do you have a "society" as opposed to a mere culture, when direct interaction and social bonds are disappearing? That can be a critical thing, overall.

In Japan, they are having a related problem called hikikomori. That's their term for the social isolation phenomenon which is related to many other factors. Here, we just don't have enough awareness or even proper labels yet, (most of them are created by online communities to define themselves). I guess mass alienation or growing social isolation will have to do.

Seeing how human beings tended to be wired to social life due to our survival needs, etc., this is very troubling as a trend. So, for those who are interested, there is more information:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2018/february/japan-hikikomori-isolation-society/

[captain queeg]

6. I know one...

He sends me YouTube videos that are tagged mgtow. I had to look up what it meant. He’s convinced American women are terrible and wants to move to some country where women know their place.

[Nay]

17. Frankly, it's pretty easy to go to some third world country and buy a girl or woman, so

I don't know what the MGTOWs are talking about. Hell, you could go there and be a king, even with just a bit of money. But I suspect the poverty lifestyle doesn't agree with them. What they want is a servile woman who will work 40 hours a week as the main breadwinner, to live in a first world country, own all the stuff and be able to dictate his wife's every move; AND be able to outfit his man cave with 10 computers and stay down there indefinitely. Oh, the wife can come down there once in a while to give him a blowjob while he's playing Fortnite.

[Nay]

38. Since I'm a woman and almost 70, I've definitely become cynical as hell, so

sometimes I just spill it all out!

[captain queeg]

37. He's already taken multiple trips to Thailand

But doesn’t want to give up his american health coverage. When you look at those who condemn swaths of America that’s generally the case. There’s things they don’t want to give up mixed in with their condemnation of others. They don’t want to accept it’s a package deal.

[qazplm135]

7. lol there are so many members of the "Bat Family" now

that I'm not sure 100% I'm not Bat-Qazplm135.

So not a loner. Has plenty of women in his orbit, plenty of lovers and teammates and friends who are women.

Just nuts and a little pissed that the greatest superhero character of all time is soiled by these nutjobs.

[Vinca]

9. Let's encourage this movement. It will prevent another generation of fools from being born.

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. +1

[Downtown Hound]

12. Um, Vicki Vale ring a bell?

[Dave Starsky]

44. And Catwoman, Silver St. Cloud, Talia al-Ghul...

Make no mistake about it, Bruce Wayne has had his share of top-shelf action.

[Brawndo]

13. Self-imposed removal of their DNA from the gene pool, what a loss /s

These "men" bear no passing resemblance to a bad-ass like Bruce Wayne (who BTW exhibits liberal tendencies).

[Cartoonist]

14. A Batman fan's story

When I was a kid, my brother and I would argue over who we'd like to be, Superman or Batman. His preference was based solely on the ability to fly. I considered other factors. Bruce Wayne was rich, Clark Kent had to work. Wayne Manor and the Batcave vs a fortress of solitude at the north pole. Catwoman or Lex Luther?.

I also liked the sound of "millionaire playboy".
Being a kid, I thought it meant being rich and playing every day. Later when I found out what it really meant, I felt vindicated. Superman was a virgin in love with someone who had no affection for Clark Kent. Bruce Wayne could be seen at society functions with a babe on each arm.

These guys have picked the wrong guy. They should have chosen Jimmy Olsen.

[Midnightwalk]

15. Darwin approves. NT

[Garrett78]

18. That's certainly extreme, but the Men's Rights and "white people are oppressed" crowd...

...make up a majority of the Republican electorate.

There continue to be Democrats and many members of the media who insist that there are many good Republicans and that right wingers simply have a different take on tax policy, the role of government, etc. That mythological thinking needs to stop, and the sooner it does the better. It's time to be honest about the monster created by the GOP over the last 50 years.

[MustLoveBeagles]

19. Wow

You and several other posters have already hit on why they're wrong about this, so I won't comment on that part of it except to say that they're delusional. MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way huh? Tell ya what guys you can leave right now. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[maxrandb]

21. Well, is there any more perfect example of people

who shouldn't reproduce?

I call this a "win-win".

[Nay]

29. It WOULD be a win-win if they would actually leave, but they don't. nt

[Stallion]

23. Pst. Just Leaves More BABES for the Rest of Us!

…...as Steve Martin said in the Jerk this could be the big break I was looking for

[JHB]

24. Sure, Bruce. Let's hear the next hollow excuse. -- WW

[ismnotwasm]

25. You didn't know about those assholes?

If you want to keep up on the strange MRA world, follow this guy

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/

Dave’s been monitoring them for years

[Iggo]

31. "We hunted the mammoth."

Good god.

[JHB]

34. That's the mocking-the-subject name of the watchdog site

We Hunted the Mammoth is an ad-free, reader-supported publication written and published by longtime journalist David Futrelle, who has been tracking, dissecting, and mocking the growing misogynistic backlash since 2010, exposing the hateful ideologies of Men’s Rights Activists, incels, alt-rightists and many others.

I have little doubt Futrelle nicked the name from some chest-thumping nonsense from way back.

[Iggo]

35. That's better.

[Iggo]

39. Also, that's my new favorite website.

Thank you so much!

[Nay]

32. That's a great site. I've been reading it for a couple of years. It's positively scary

how deranged most of the incels and mgtows are.

[safeinOhio]

26. You ever hear them chant?

We are here
We are straight
And we can't get a date.

[Iggo]

27. Fuckin' incels.

Buncha babies.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

28. Couldn't they just go with JRKOFFs? nt

[bluedigger]

30. Nothing new in the behavior.

It's just access to media to spread their message that has changed. Both sexes have engaged in this sort of behavior throughout human history.

[Coventina]

47. Please tell me you understand how female separatist groups cannot be compared to male

separatist groups.

i mean, you do understand the differing power dynamic, right?

[MrsCoffee]

49. +1

[Iggo]

33. .

[Brainfodder]

43. How dare all those women get paid less for the same work!

Lazy boys aren't just a thing to sit in, kick back, and relax?

Is that the Fleshlight Freedom Fighters?

[get the red out]

51. Worry

I worry, like with white supremacy on 4 Chan, that these guys could gin themselves up to one, or more, of them killing people.

[The Genealogist]

52. What can you expect when 1500 hate radio stations and a major infotainment network

not just endorse their idiocy, but actively encourage it? This nonsense about women having all the power in modern society is demonstrably false, but why let that ruin their conspiracy theory driven pity parties?

[TexasTowelie]

53. And now there is a Star Trek MGTOW.

The episodes are noted towards the bottom of this page:

https://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/74.html

I guess we shouldn't underestimate the ability of the incels to overlap Star Trek and MGTOW.