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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was asked a question today that I cannot answer.
Is America capable of anything better than bumper sticker politics?
"Lock her up"
"Send them back"
"Make America great again"
We are getting the point it seems half this country votes based on whatever memes they see in the facebook feed and make no effort to seek out anything remotely reality based.
I feel like at some point in my life we (as a nation) were capable of a real conversation. Are we still? I really don't know.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)...give or take
Which means in a 2 party system, about a quarter of eligible voters decide who's elected
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)He is now! we're discussing every that's happened over the past few days, by text. I'm doing the same with everyone I know. I feel like it's my duty to keep them informed.
Brawndo
(535 posts)The decades long effort to de-fund public education, no longer requiring the teaching of Civics, abolishing the Fairness Doctrine in media, the rise of AM Hate radio along with propaganda TV (Faux). It is a toxic mix that has proven effective in dumbing down the electorate.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)But I feel like every time the mature half of the electorate gets the legal and legislative ability to start turning the tide, we end up spinning our wheels on garbage like Don and his all putrid band. I really don't know how we turn it back... or forward.
Brawndo
(535 posts)Once we regain legal and legislative ability, we need to chip away at those specific problems and quit being so passive about corrective actions. We've experienced first-hand where that passivity leads. I believe an emphasis on education is the key to dispelling indoctrination.
LonePirate
(13,420 posts)Left-face
(59 posts)I subscribe to both the NYT AND WAPO and typically read both pretty much cover to cover every day. I actually logged into Fox "news" a few days ago and the difference between them couldn't be more stark if they tried. Both the Times and the Post carry articles from both sides of "the isle" and I usually read both, but on faux there really is no opposing view point, just non-stop RW propaganda, lies, cover up and obscufation of facts.
Now I know I'm a bit of a strange bird, but I can't be the only one.
It's a bit like the old days when people used to order merchandise from the back of matchbook covers.. I guess.. They get their "news" from the equivalent of the back of matchbook covers..
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It's all very well calculated. The Right knows that they are dividing the country.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)predicting even larger turnout in 2020.
Those chants you mention represent the behavior of a minority, of course: A minority of conservatives, perhaps half, and thus perhaps a quarter of the electorate. They're hardly representative of America. And even when you add in their hostile, noisy counterparts on the left, they're all still very much a minority.
Reality is, far more voters are repelled and disgusted by ugly partisanship than attracted to it, so they don't talk politics with those who are and relatively few do bumper stickers. That includes millions of those conservatives who are most unhappy with what the Republican Party has become.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)We have been immersed in The Spectacle.
This is the outcome. We are talking about a century of mass media designed to accomplish just what we see. Well, you could combine that with a breakdown in education and several other factors.
We may be idealistic about a population that is capable of rising to the occasion using knowledge, critical thought, refined discernment, etc. but, obviously, that seems to be becoming a bygone notion. The irony is that there we are more technologically advance and there is more access to information than ever before, while genuine discernment is trumped by mere belief and passing fancy.
If you consider that the number one incentive to dumb down a population is control, (in place of bullets) and that control is primarily in order to increase profits and sway opinion, then what would you expect? That may sound conspiratorial and maybe we are more collectively prone to herd instinct and the lizard brain, but there has been much anti-intellectualism in this country for a long time.
It is possible that those who tend to put knowledge and truth above opinion and belief may actually become biased about the idea that humans are rational creatures. We see through the lenses we have. However, that is all the more reason to promote it and support education, knowledge and the quest for truth, and I don't mean that necessarily denigrating or disparaging people's beliefs, there is a false dichotomy in that. Rather, we can transcend belief by way of knowledge, and what we can know might just point beyond beliefs in general and even metaphysical realism and the like. C. S. Lewis comes to mind here.
I think that books like 1984 point this out well and the movie, Idiocracy is a great documentary
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)a bit more complex than your question begged, but I highly recommend the excellent BBC documentary, The Century of the Self for starters. Then of course, there is Chomsky's co-written book, The Manufacture of Consent, and Marshall McLuhan's, The Medium is the Massage, (Message).
The point is that manipulation, in my opinion, is contrary to being informed and cognizant, but rather, it fosters being pliable and vulnerable. It comes together quickly when you study it a bit more and might relate well to your question about "bumper sticker politics".
This has several parts, (on the sidebar). Excellent work, BTW:
The Century of the Self - Part 1: "Happiness Machines"
ffr
(22,669 posts)This classic text has introduced tens of thousands of students to sound reasoning using a wealth of current, relevant, and stimulating examples all put together and explained in a witty and invigorating writing style. Long the choice of instructors who want to "keep students engaged," LOGIC AND CONTEMPORARY RHETORIC: THE USE OF REASON IN EVERYDAY LIFE,
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Republicans are not capable of anything better.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Remember the Alamo!
Remember the Maine!
Oregon or Bust!
Nay
(12,051 posts)I'm almost 70, so I've lived long enough to see the public move from newspapers/books to TV to the computer/Twitter/email. Over the years the change in media stopped progress the human race had been making toward more rational conversation and thinking.
That doesn't mean that ALL persons were becoming more rational and thoughtful, but it did mean that the mainstream thinkers were, essentially, more rational and thoughtful. There have always been crazy printed tracts (think the KKK, John Birch Society, Chick tracts, etc.) but their distribution was minimal and localized (crazy radio was local, generally,.) And TV rarely hosted these crazies and sometimes showed them as the bad guys. As someone mentioned above, Bernays refined the method and theory of advertising on steroids. He was a ruthless bastard who, correctly, deduced that people could and should be led by their emotions into doing whatever their 'betters' wanted. This, of course, is how the Republicans operate.
It's all different now. The internet has truly revealed the dark underbelly of humanity, and it ain't pretty. The evil was always there, but only could be spread worldwide and instantly once we had computers.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)to BOTH major political parties. (OVER 50% disapproval for both Ds and Rs -- 52 vs 57-58%) An almost as large percentage think that the government does as much harm as it does good. The problem is not bumper sticker memes and a lack of critical thinking (although both are a deleterious). The issue is a profound alienation from government itself.
(and, yes .. one side of the spectrum is primarily responsible for advancing this mindset .. but cursory attention to current thought and opinion [including here on DU] will see that there is a fair amount of it on the left as well)