So if there are all these hidden phone calls to foreign leaders including Putin. What was Mueller

[Quixote1818]

doing???? Wouldn't phone calls between Trump and Putin be the first freaking thing you would investigate?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/white-house-restricted-trump-calls-putin-saudi/index.html

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Doh!!!!

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[ProudMNDemocrat]

2. Doh!!!!

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[leftieNanner]

3. But if they were hidden in the super secret server

Mueller may not have known that they existed. And you can be sure that nobody in the West Wing would volunteer that information. It only came out because a CIA person who was detailed to the White House figured out what had happened and reported it.

You would think that Mueller would have asked if there were any such transcripts, but if he didn't ask the right people, they might not have known about them.

[Quixote1818]

8. So how are we finding out where they were hidden now? The CIA whistle-blower knew all these

locations?

[leftieNanner]

12. I don't know

The WB found out about it with regards to the Ukraine call. It will certainly be very interesting to see where this all leads.

[Quixote1818]

16. So maybe that is why Trump was in such a rush to release the Ukraine call!!!!

He knew it was totally fucking horrible for him but he must be more worried about other calls being found on that server!!!!

Thoughts?

[leftieNanner]

17. I don't think he's that clever

He doesn't think there's anything wrong with what he said to the Ukranian President. That's the way he has always talked when he wants something out of someone. His advisors (such as they are) suggested that it was a bad idea to release the transcript. Even Pence tried to talk him out of it. I think you may be giving him too much credit. I guess we'll find out at some point. Geez, I'm just exhausted. Invigorated by the impeachment inquiry, but worn out by this guy's BS.

[Blue_true]

23. The CIA whistleblower mentioned the Server.

It is totally possible that Mueller did not know about it. Also remember that Mueller's charter on what he could investigate was fairly limited.

[lapfog_1]

11. code word classification would not have been available to even Mueller

your name has to be on a list.

And there is every reason to believe that hiding this from Mueller and his team would have been the PRIME REASON for such classification

[Blue_true]

24. Exactly. nt

[Garrett78]

13. Even if Mueller learned of the server, he might have been denied access by the AG.

[Quixote1818]

14. I see Barr denying access. Not sure Sessions would have

Amazing how scumbag Sessions at least had some honor. Who would have thought it?

[Garrett78]

19. I can see either Sessions or Rosenstein telling Mueller there's nothing to see here.

More than likely, though, Mueller simply didn't know about the server.

[jrthin]

4. I've been pondering this and similar questions. Like, prosecuting

lawyering 101, follow the money.

[unitedwethrive]

5. Excellent question.

I hope this gets looked at someday. Part of the problem with dividing our country into two philosophical camps, is that everything seems suspicious.

[Me.]

6. Trying To Get HIs Hands On Info

and being blocked every which way. If it wasn't for a whistleblower, we wouldn't have this. Protecting that Jackal in the WH is an enormous effort that has involved hun dreds of lower level criminals.

[marble falls]

7. Not if he didn't know about them. We only heard about them this week.

[Quixote1818]

10. I would think a good investigator would suspect shit was hidden and shake shit up

Try to find leeds to see if there are hidden call transcripts. Interview the translators etc.

[marble falls]

18. I imagine that Donnie Two Scoops is a target rich environment. If Cohen or Gates ...

Flynn or Manafort had said, "not only that but secret servers" Mueller would have been all over that. Remember: his mandate was with Trumps Justice Department. They were not going to let him in on too much. I'm convinced that whether he thought there was a secret server or not, he had no smoking gun or a witness that said word one about it.

Mueller's report will figure in the impeachment proceedings, he'll be testifying again. The guy is in his eighties, he's not Crockett and Tubbs.

[Flaleftist]

15. The whistleblower said there were 6 sources providing information. nt

[marble falls]

34. From HuffPo this afternoon ...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lawyers-giuliani-barr_n_5d8fd8f5e4b0ac3cdda9b3ac?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADdr8pvxBuc3lU_aX3XEbfGrvFb9R-e247p-elvQeVXXBaZPiOg6QbKw_LIWOAJI3UHrlcv9kffhWb_crlbgx3VOW2PJwqaSWEqmXMKx-QRMZeNduo_20N3nkZ8E6WJWOBVuI6cOQjbSuEbOKhy0AiMJp_T2s6lRm9PmBlJBZtTr

The Justice Department was first made aware of Trump’s call when a CIA lawyer mentioned the complaint from the unidentified CIA officer on Aug. 14, said a person familiar with the matter who wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke anonymously. Some Justice Department lawyers learned about the accusations after the whistleblower filed a complaint with the intelligence community’s internal watchdog.



Again he didn't know about it. Why would he be expected to about something even oy Intellegence Agencies didn't now or share.

[guillaumeb]

9. Trump and his protectors obstructed Mueller at all times.

No real surprise there.

[doc03]

20. Where was the whistleblower all that time and

what about all those WH officials that he said told him what happened?

[yortsed snacilbuper]

21. Mueller and Barr are best buds,

just saying.

[JI7]

22. no they aren't

[yortsed snacilbuper]

25. Attorney General William Barr and special counsel Robert Mueller,

have been friends for three decades, and their families have long socialized together.

Barr and Mueller first crossed paths at the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration. But the relationship goes further: Their wives are close friends who attend Bible study together, and Mueller attended the weddings of two of Barr’s daughters.

[JI7]

26. no they haven't. they attended the same church so people made it out

to be more than it was.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. This was mentioned on one of the MSNBC shows last night

and they said it was very possible Mueller was never told about the secret server.

[underpants]

28. I find it hard to believe he didn't know of it.

That seems like a stretch.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. Even if they knew of its existence, during the time of the investigation

they might not have had reason to suspect Trump was trying to hide anything in it; they were investigating what happened before the election re: Russian involvement and after that why Comey was fired.

[underpants]

32. Ok. Good point.

It's pretty clear that the reason they used the other file was because Trump is such a rambling incoherent moron they were trying to save him from embarrassment

[yortsed snacilbuper]

30. Barr beat Mueller like a rented mule.

[Raven123]

31. I don't think so.

None of those calls were made before the election. I think it would have been a stretch.

[GulfCoast66]

33. Remember. Mueller was not put in place to investigate all things trump

Just what occurred during the election. And the fall out of it.

He had no mandate to investigate everything. And no authority.