New ABC poll - 63% of Americans view what the Con did as a serious matter

[malaise]

ITTMF RFN!

[mucifer]

1. Getting close to 2/3. But, the propaganda is just getting started against Biden and they

are making A LOT more noise against Hillary. So those numbers could change.

[helpisontheway]

8. What does Hillary have to do with anything? She is no longer

in politics. She is not running. Why would the public be concerned about her?

[Scarsdale]

10. A friend of mine is incensed

hoping the e-mails from Hillary's computer are found. I was in shock, she is so rabid about the (D)'s wasting time investigating tRump, after all the taxpayer money spent on Hillary that did not find anything. I said "They did not find anything, because there was nothing to find" Then she went on to the Dixie Chicks, disgraceful bad mouthing a president while overseas. Yes, and the (R)'s mostly Rove, destroyed their careers. Some people will never see the truth about this poor excuse for a human being and the traitors surrounding him.

[Buckeyeblue]

12. The Clinton's have been under investigation since the early 90's

And the only thing the Republicans found was a consensual blow job. And they want to keep looking. It's crazy.

This just shows how desperate the Republicans are now. They know Trump is breaking the law daily. Trying to change the subject is their only hope.

[Pepsidog]

22. My brother in law is the same way. All Hillary ball the time. Bizarre.

[solara]

27. Just FYI re: Hillary's Email "Scandal"

Laurence Tribe
@tribelaw

"This retroactive reclassification to go after a defeated political opponent after the statute of limitations has run is itself an abuse of power, one we’d expect in a banana republic. These people are growing desperate. And more dangerous by the day."

In other words, tell your brother -in-law that the statute of limitations has run out on the Hillary email thing, there truly was no 'there' there and never has been or someone would have found something in the last thirty years of republican blame & scrutiny.

There is very definitely something 'there' there in regards to trump and his myriad crimes & misdemeanors and to think otherwise is probably going to embarrass him greatly and soon.

[Pepsidog]

34. Good point!

[mucifer]

11. the deplorables are going to believe lies and false equivalencies and there is a lot of

propaganda trying to get the independents to believe the lies.

It's insane all of the evidence against trump and how we have had a lot of it for over 2 years and yet trump is still here.

They do insanely well with propaganda.

SNL did this amusing and yet very disturbing skit last night:

[llmart]

17. I don't know. I don't find anything about this amusing any more.

Actually, I haven't found anything about this situation we are in since 2016 amusing. I think making light of it, even if only on SNL, does us no favors.

This is serious. Our country and democracy and the ideals it is supposed to stand for have been endangered by the GOP for quite some time.

[mucifer]

18. I partially agree. But, unfortunately some people get their news from SNL

I think it would be more detrimental if they just did comedy and pretended none of this is happening.

[llmart]

21. I don't know.

It's just my opinion, but should we as a country cater to the people who are too lazy to be even a little bit informed of what's going on in their country, so they turn to SNL for "news"? How much more can we dumb down the American populace? I'm 70, lived through the Watergate scandal, was about 19 at the time and I made it a point to read about what was happening so that I could make an informed opinion. I was just a teenager, but the adult influencers in my life; i.e., American Government teacher, parents, older siblings set a good example for what it meant to be a good citizen.

[DownriverDem]

16. As we move forward

When the impeachment inquiry started with Nixon, the majority of the country was against impeachment. As the hearings progressed, the majority of the country moved to supporting impeachment. trump's numbers are only going to get worse. I think investigating Hillary will be a big mistake. The country truly wants to move on. It's pretty clear that there is no one in the White House now with any clue about how it all works. There is no War Room like with Bill Clinton. We are going to see a very wild repub party who has decided to go down with trump. Let the games begin.

[karynnj]

30. However, that percent shows that people ARE getting the gist of Trump's actions

The many people summarizing it in VERY simple sentences saying that Trump leveraged our foreign policy to get Ukraine to be the opposition research arm of Trump's campaign are being heard. Not to mention, we have that from the "transcript" (which is NOT a transcript) that Trump released!

As to Hillary Clinton, as she might say - "At this point, what difference does it make?" Using the State Department to go after people who directly or indirectly reported to her over RETROACTIVELY reclassified emails is itself an abuse of power. It also creates an atmosphere that destroys the professional/nonpartisan aspect of the State Department. The Trump administration broke precedent even before they took office. Trump ordered Tillerson NOT to speak to John Kerry or any of the top people on his team. However, this is a HUGE step that could further destroy the American foreign policy organization.

As to Biden, nothing has changed on the actual Biden "story" since Hunter's position was questioned in the Obama years. What is clear is that (surprise, surprise - not) the Peter Schweitzer book is replete with "errors" -- all of which suggest corruption where the actual facts are less bad or not bad at all - just as in his Clinton book and his Congressional insider trading book.

Here, the story seems to be that Hunter Biden is a troubled guy and he likely should have seen that taking that position could create an appearance of conflict of interest for the Obama. It is difficult to dispute that Ukrainians, with their history of extreme political corruption, did take his position on the board as the company having good relations/access to the US. Note that when Trump became President, he left and the board hired a Romney aide.

However, JOE Biden related the Obama administration message which was that Ukraine needed to deal with corruption. Some of that corruption was related to the oligarchs - some of whom can be tied to Putin, Manaford or Guiliani or to money laundering. Consider that Giuliani and the various "researchers" of the right have looked into this since 2014 or 2015. They have nothing that Biden did that is NOT US policy or that is involved with protecting his son. ( Not to mention, there is no claim or even suggestion that Joe Biden played a role in getting the position for him.)

I would bet that this entire kerfuffle has actually clarified this story in Biden's favor. It and a related set of charges related to China were already out there mostly accurately defined by Schweitzer. The New Yorker article actually was a balanced account. All the articles and fact checking note the impropriety of Hunter's position, but note it was not illegal. More importantly, they all note that Biden was acting on the administration's positions, in accordance with the State Department professional staff.

There were over 20 Democrats running - most likely doing opposition research on opponents. NONE of them raised this issue. That alone says something.

[Skidmore]

2. Link for ya.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/17-americans-surprised-trumps-actions-tied-ukraine-poll/story?id=65927003

[malaise]

3. Thank you

Good morning sis

[Skidmore]

4. Good morning to you too, my friend. Nt

[pintobean]

14. "A survey of the American general population (ages 18+)"

Only 504 interviews with a MOE of 4.8%.

https://www.scribd.com/document/427929762/ABC-News-Ipsos-Poll-Sept-27-28

[karynnj]

31. The sample size is adequate if you can live with the MOE

This is an example where the ENTIRE CONFIDENCE INTERVAL says that at this point, the country is uncomfortable with what Trump did. (Side point - as percents move away from 50%, the confidence intervals will actually be smaller than if the percent was 50%. )

While the MOE is not a problem, the real question is whether this was a representative sample with a reasonable statistical design.

[empedocles]

15. Thank you. republicon numbers still pretty soft, tho seem to be getting better.

[llmart]

19. Only 17% are surprised by it because we've had 2+ years of his criminal behavior...

so, of course very few people are "surprised" by what he did. I wouldn't be surprised by anything he does any longer.

Oh, I take that back. I would genuinely be surprised if he issued a heartfelt apology and took full responsibility for all he's done.

[Ligyron]

29. Ghouli anna throwing a lot of crap out there and came well prepared.

Doing a lot better than he did with Cuomo and their spin machine has obviously been hard at work since Trump's collusion attempt broke.

Affidavits from Ukrainian liars (or so he says) while holding up some typed and highlighted pages. Scary, because it will confuse many of our weaker minded countrymen.

They are trying their best to make this about Biden, Biden, Biden and soon Hillary, Hillary, Clinton's emails (again).

Stop giving these traitors so much airtime MSM. Fox is bad enough.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Off to the greatest!

[kentuck]

6. It is a bit disturbing that so few were "surprised" by his Ukraine actions.

They perhaps now believe this to be the new normal. That is a little scary.

[KPN]

23. Yup. That's the way I read it. 83% were not

surprised either because tRump did it (which is not surprising) or in their minds, this behavior is normal — to be expected and even fair game.

[Garrett78]

36. How can anything be surprising after these years of absolute madness?

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. What his parents did was just as bad

They brought the SOB into the world.

[Mike 03]

9. Not bad for three days work. We'll get this up past 70% in no time.

And what is Trump firing back with? Hillary's emails. He's drilling in dry land.

[KPN]

24. Not so sure about that. The land may be dry but

there are a lot of Clinton haters whose opinions about Ukraine-gate just might be moderated by visibility of Clinton investigations being pushed now. The media will be the influencer; will M$M call BS on the Clinton investigation news that’s being amped and ramped up or will they give this crap credibility in the interest of false “impartiality”, i.e., profit?

[TruckFump]

13. When the push to impeach RMN started,

IIRC, only about 32% favored it.

If without further exposure of MF45's wrong-doing -- not that the Ukraine is not enough -- and the figure for yes-impeach stands at 63%, whatever else falls out of or is pulled out of the locked closets in the WH, I do believe Trump is gonna be impeached and removed from office.

What a great place in history for him -- the first US Prez to be impeached AND removed from office!

[KPN]

25. Lol. Yes -- a big win for him! The only one ever!

[ffr]

20. And the inquiry hearings haven't even started!

[thesquanderer]

26. Help for the acronym challenged? ITTMF RFN? (n/t)

[malaise]

28. Impeach the treasonous MF

right fucking now

[ffr]

32. Malaise, you liar. It's not 63%

It's

Link to tweet

[malaise]

33. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Skittles]

35. the word VIEW should be UNDERSTAND