Some Trumpers are starting to flip apparently

[OliverQ]

Clearly these are anecdotes, but hopefully a real trend.

Link to tweet

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[Wounded Bear]

1. We all hope it is true...

[empedocles]

3. Yes

[stopdiggin]

8. would like for this to be true, but

we've been around these people for 3+ years. I've learned something about Americans that I would have previously told you "just wasn't true." A lot of them have "ugly" in their bones. I'll welcome ANY votes we can get -- on impeachment, or 2020. But ....

[empedocles]

10. Culture change does happen. Look at smoking cigarettes. Major culture change.

Culture change takes time. I notice in gyms, beaches and pools, tatoos are still working their way down the food chain. Even some millennials still getting them.

However, the tatoos will inevitably fade into the blood stream over time. Some tatoos will be cosmetically removed. The fad will fade more.

Seems that, just as some trumpers still smoke, some others will quit . . . trump.

[fallout87]

2. Yeah, I heard the same thing when Mueller was investigating

And it never happened. Trumpets will follow him no matter what. Dont kid yourselves.

[griffi94]

12. Trump supporters won't turn on him

The real loss for the GOP is every American under the age of 50. They're clinging so hard to Trump
and his Thru the Looking Glass administration that they've failed to notice that there's nowhere for
them to go after this. The same thing happened after Dubya and I have to say I was amazed that instead
of re-tooling their party for the twenty-first they went with reality TV. It's not sustainable.

[dawg day]

24. SenDem at DK pointed out how completely nihilistic the GOP has become--

Long before Trump, today’s GOP lost any ability to be constructive on just about anything. If something is good, they reflexively oppose it. People having healthcare? Oppose. People going to college? Oppose. Stopping gun massacres? Oppose. Renewable energy? Oppose.

Their entire policy on immigration is bigotry and hate. Their policy on the budget is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Their policy on elections is to have as few people as possible voting. Also, I’m not quite sure how a political party would be opposed to saving our environment, but here we are.

Now after Trump, they don't even have the economic principles (other than lower taxes) that used to energize them. What do they have left when the reality show guy is gone?
I think they'll still have hate, but they already have all the haters out there. That's not a growing population.

I think Trump could be the coffin in which the GOP is buried. I hope, anyway.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/28/1886880/-No-the-GOP-won-t-abandon-Trump-no-matter-what-for-one-reason-he-s-the-last

[griffi94]

29. Thank you for sharing that

That's exactly spot on. They have no vision other than "If a single Democrat is for it, then we're against it" .

[Garrett78]

30. Every Democrat should be blunt about what we're dealing with.

Sorry, Biden, but there aren't "a lot of really good Republicans." There just aren't. Saying that there are won't make them cooperate.

[blm]

14. Trumpet loss will be minimal, casual GOP voter loss is increasing.

Trump couldn’t afford to lose voters in the swing states. He’s already lost 2-5% of his 2016 voters in swing states.

[Salviati]

17. Which is actually IMO the worst case scenario for the GOP

If everyone turned on the turd, you'd see the GOP flip in a New York minute on him. But if they start losing the casual GOP voter, while the trumpet diehards remain ride or die, that puts them between a rock and a hard place, and I don't feel an ounce of pity for them.

[blm]

18. Neither do I. Sinking ship.

[ffr]

4. They've lost the battle against the U.S. Constitution and upholding the law.

Their deep state infection of our institutions needs to be rooted out as well.

SHAME ON THEM!

[Grammy23]

5. I hope others with anecdotal evidence will share their stories.

Yes. They ARE only anecdotal. But like a tsunami, they will build and accumulate against that slimy bastard. As each trumpy starts to see cracks in the base, they will wonder why. So share every time you see a tRumpy break from their trance. Let’s make sure the stories build into a wave that destroys his base.

[TheBlackAdder]

41. Yeah, I haven't seen it so far. Not one flipper.

[UniteFightBack]

6. I agree that there will be erosion. My deplorable co worker has got nothing to say to this. I make

sure to say " I don't want any president from any party doing this shit". HE'S GOT NOTHING.

[Golden Raisin]

7. If we make it to the election I'll wait to see their actual votes.

And I'm not just talking voting for Trump but voting for any Republican. Talk and remorse are cheap commodities.

[dawg day]

26. I suspect that McConnell has to take a longer view, and realizes he can go down with Trump...

or throw Trump over the side.
The terrible peril for McConnell (LOL, love it) is that all the Trumpers, which must be close to half of the GOP voters, could well be so furious they take it out on the GOP.

But that's in the short-term. He can decide that as long as he can hold the senate, by hook or crook, he can obstruct a Democratic president for 1-2 terms, and that will be easier and better for the GOP than losing with Trump.

We'll see. McConnell probably loathes Trump. Ryan is already acting like Spartacus or something, only cringing as he does it, so it isn't very effective. But he's in with Fox, and this could mean the Murdochs have decided greater ratings will come from Trump being wounded and outraged outside the White House.

[fescuerescue]

38. People don't just flip from Dem to Repub or vice versa

If they, they do it once in a lifetime (barring the very center rudderless 3-5% flip floppers).

So Trumpers from last election are not about to vote for Biden or Warren or any other Dem candidate.

What happens? They just don't show up to vote.

[SWBTATTReg]

9. Even some repug legislators are switching, joining in votes too...such as repel of emerg. declar...

ation, etc.

[Thekaspervote]

11. Just IMHO trump humpers don't like losers and that's what the dotard is beginning to look like

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They don’t want to be bothered with facts...in a road rage race it only matters who’s ahead

[Midnight Writer]

21. Exactly. Perceived weakness will alienate Trump base more than any amount of corruption.

His appeal to them is as a "strongman". His flailing defense makes him look weak, and much more is to come.

[Captain Zero]

23. This exactly...

These are the guys who live in flyover land and have a jersey for half the NFL in their closet. Patriots, 9ers, Norleans, Packers. Steelers, Seahawks. Start the season in the favorite, rotate through a few, end the season with a jersey of whoever is headed to the Super Bowl. Booyah!

[Thekaspervote]

25. Ha!! Good one

[SCVDem]

13. This is the swansong of the Tea Party

How else could this shit show end.

Tea baggers, morans, Palin, conspiracy theory's, division, white supremacists and racial hate, and the ever popular, tots and pears.

All culminating in selling out our country to steal an election.

They never learned self control and allowed greed and the stupidity of the electorate to allow their misuse of the process. All ending in an illegitimate pResident.

Soon they will be history.

When they are gone, we need a thorough examination and reckoning about how we allowed ourselves to get so close to losing the Republic.

NSA servers are only the start.

[Catch2.2]

15. I wish I could say the same...

However, it does seem that they are more quiet.

[Mr.Bill]

16. So far the ones I know are saying

the whistleblower is nothing but hearsay and is completely made up. Did not happen.

[Ligyron]

19. If they get the actual witnesses talking honestly in open sessions, that will change I think.

They may not like what they hear but Trump barely won that last election, they lost in the midterms and are going to lose in a landslide in the next one I'll wager.

That is, if it's an honest election so...

[Mr.Bill]

20. They won't watch it on TV. I bet Fox won't even show it.

People I talked to on Friday were not aware that the transcript of the phone call was released by the White House. The only thing that will get their attention is a major crash in the stock market or a war. And they will think a war is a good thing, as long as brown people are being killed.

[OliverQ]

33. You should remind them that Republicans impeached Bill Clinton

on the hearsay words of Linda Tripp.

[Mr.Bill]

36. Yes, that's a valid point.

But not when you are talking to ignorant cultists. Face it, if you stopped 100 people as the passed you on the sidewalk and ask them what Clinton was impeached for, 99 of them, Democrats and republicans alike will say he was impeached for getting a blow job in the oval office. I've seen people on this forum say that.

[bitterross]

22. I've seen just as many cases of them digging in.

You are correct. These are anecdotes. As are the cases I've seen. I do see many, many of them regurgitating the GOP talking points and trying to make it about the Bidens, not Trump.

[UpInArms]

39. And ... Then ... They gave bush another 4 years

When he trotted out Osama bin Laden ... at 2:30 on Friday before the election

[UpInArms]

43. It was such a lovely photo op

The great video setting ... The flowing robes ... The threats of anialation ...

And so predictable ... I knew they would have to have their October surprise ... That it would be a good one ... That it would happen on that Friday before the election so that it would be replayed on every station all weekend ... Dominating the discussion ...

The American people are so gullible ...

Sigh

[UpInArms]

45. I understand your sentiment, chin

I have had an interesting view from an interesting angle

I live in a very rural area ... In 2003, I was asked what I really wanted to do with my life ... And I said ... I would love to take over a small town newspaper and tell people the truth. In 2006, that opportunity arose. I owned and edited for 10 years. The paper started winning awards ... I was named president of the area press association ... I loved what I was doing and felt there was a hopefulness ... Fast forward to election 2016 ...

80% Of the county and surrounding area voted for trump.

Make of it what you will, but imho they will accept whatever swill is being sold on the teevee

[Baja Bill]

31. Haha

Good luck with that

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. I wish I could believe it. But...

I've been fruitlessly engaging with quite a few members of his base over the weekend and they are having none of it. He's a victim. The Democrats are evil. Hillary (but oddly not Obama) is the cause of everything wrong in their lives. They may not be a majority of Americans, but there are still plenty of people who will support him even if he shot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue. It's freaking bizarre!

[Azathoth]

34. Won't happen. They're quieting down because they feel under seige

But none of them are flipping.

Trump's base is locked to him the same way Jim Jones' was.

[Mr.Bill]

37. Here's hoping

they all drink up.

[Codeine]

35. Nonsense. Wishful thinking.

His base isn’t the sort of person who changes their mind.

[jcgoldie]

42. I don't know about other parts of the country but what I see in Illinois... Trumpers aren't flipping

The two groups of people who outspokenly support Trump are rednecks and emphatic Christians. The rednecks are racists who are terrified of diversity in inner cities, they are deathly afraid of losing white privilege, and they have bought in to scapegoating arguments about Mexicans pouring across the border to steal their jobs and benefits. They store their fear in ever larger gun closets and pass around bullshit information on facebook. The Christians only give a fuck about the supreme court and social issues like abortion, gay marriage, and transgender bathrooms. They are misogynistic and they do not mind the fact that Trump really pisses off educated liberals. There's obviously a lot of overlap between these two groups. The difference is class based more than cultural. I really don't think any of these people is going to bail on Trump over issues of election interference with Russia or the Ukraine I am sorry to say. They are too culturally aligned with his most base characteristics. They don't care that he's ignorant and offensive because he gives them what they want. And they don't care if he gets help from Russians or Ukrainians because as stupid as it is, I think they just see them as white people.