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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 03:05 PM Sep 2019

Seth Abramson...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1178377097934446592.html?refreshed=yes

I remember when I wrote my "October 2016" chapter for PROOF OF COLLUSION (published by Simon & Schuster in November 2018) there was some consternation among folks helping to work on the book as to why I wrote so much about Joe diGenova—because no one else was. Well, now you know.
1/ I was trained in criminal investigation. In a case of potential conspiracy, you *have* to know who the known associates of the suspect are, and you *have* to have some sort of a *timeline* for their intersection with the case. DiGenova and Trump's intersections go *way* back.
2/ Throughout the Trump-Russia and Trump-Ukraine scandals, there were people Trump corrupted for select purposes (special agents) and people he corrupted for all possible purposes (general agents). The number of *general* agents is far smaller than the number of *special* agents.
3/ *Every single movement* of Trump's lawless band of general agents—from 2013 onward—should have been tracked. That includes (in some cases beginning in 2015) Trump, Cohen, Trump Jr., Kushner, Giuliani, Flynn, Clovis, diGenova, Prince, Barrack, Pecker, Manafort and a few others.
4/ Other names include—e.g.—Sessions, Gates, Lewandowski. Others briefly dovetailed their lawlessness with Trump's—Bud McFarlane—or were recruited briefly into his lawlessness (K.T. McFarland) or for special purposes (Papadopoulos). But all the major criminal incidents involve...
5/ ...a small group of associates with no conscience, morals, or belief in law. We're talking fewer than 20 people being involved in 95% or more of the likely illegal events of these two scandals, with perhaps 10 to 15 more being specially tasked for minor roles in a few of them.


6/ Another category includes foreigners/foreign-born persons—in a few cases native-born persons—acting first and foremost on behalf of other countries openly or covertly: Nader, al-Otaiba, Dermer, Birnbaum, Zamel, Sater, Simes, and a few others. And one radical ideologue: Bannon.
7/ And there's virtually no one in major media systematically tracking the travels and meetings and public statements of this relatively small group of (globally and in total) 40 persons or so. But the moment you look—say, at Flynn's *travel*—the story appears almost immediately.
8/ So don't say "diGenova who?" He was in this group and so of *course* appears at *many* points in Trump's crime spree. I'd venture to say he's involved with elements of it even I—and other deep-divers—have never encountered. It's his *assent* to be part of it that matters most.
9/ I'd go further: anyone in Trump's small "circle of trust" should've been considered by investigators. For instance, one of his two best friends is Howard Lorber. When we learned Trump Jr. called Lorber in the midst of negotiating a secret Trump-Russia meeting at Trump Tower...
10/ ...the fact that *no one* had been tracking Trump's rogues' gallery meant Trump Jr. could say "See? I was just calling a random family friend!" In fact, Lorber's name recurs in the Trump story, and so it's *fascinating* Trump Jr. called him—but most of America didn't know it.
11/ More recently, we learned Trump discussed Biden with Schwarzman. Media—thinking Schwarzman was appearing in Trump's saga for the first time—said, "Uh... he's connected to China?" But anyone who's tracking the crew knows it's more significant he's connected to Kushner and MBS.
12/ I represented enough accused criminals to see in Trump the signs of a career criminal—which *also* means he has a crew of associates who know what he is and *still* aid him regularly or on occasion. DiGenova and Giuliani are in the crew—and media should've known that in 2016.
13/ Most of us would *never* associate with someone who violates the law routinely—as Trump does. But there's a *different* type of personality that seeks out such an individual and—if he's powerful—asks him, "How can I be of service?" Joe diGenova is precisely that sort of worm.
14/ I think few of us will be around to see the entirety of Trump's story written down; his criminality will be studied for *decades*. But at least we can do now what media should've done a long time ago: recognize the story's *cast of characters*, and try to track their actions.


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Seth Abramson... (Original Post) pbmus Sep 2019 OP
K&R pandr32 Sep 2019 #1
K&R. dchill Sep 2019 #2
K&R Pachamama Sep 2019 #3
Thanks for printing out the tweetage!!! marble falls Sep 2019 #4
Thanks for this ..excellent catch...the days ahead are going to be asiliveandbreathe Sep 2019 #5
Thank you, Seth! dlk Sep 2019 #6
will the next U.S. A.G. fail to pursue these criminals, because of political optics? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #7
50-50...Really depends on who we elect.. pbmus Sep 2019 #9
it worries me that they may skate Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #10
I'd add to the OP title - tRump's criminality will be studied for *decades* ffr Sep 2019 #8
Kick dalton99a Sep 2019 #11
Then i remembered where I saw diGenova recently. Oh yeah, in Brian Cohen's takedown ffr Sep 2019 #12
Wow! That's potent stuff. patphil Sep 2019 #13

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
5. Thanks for this ..excellent catch...the days ahead are going to be
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 03:50 PM
Sep 2019

worthy of the "greatest criminal enterprise in history"...

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
9. 50-50...Really depends on who we elect..
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:54 PM
Sep 2019

Biden...maybe
Warren...definitely
Harris...definitely
Sanders...definitely

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
10. it worries me that they may skate
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:58 PM
Sep 2019

Because they are of the opposing party, I'm afraid that the next Dem AG will be told not to pursue their Federal crimes.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
8. I'd add to the OP title - tRump's criminality will be studied for *decades*
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:54 PM
Sep 2019

Because no matter what happens in the present, the lies and deception will come out. It's unfortunate for tRump that there is a presidential records act.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
12. Then i remembered where I saw diGenova recently. Oh yeah, in Brian Cohen's takedown
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 06:12 PM
Sep 2019

Have a look. Takedown begins at @3:40

patphil

(6,169 posts)
13. Wow! That's potent stuff.
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 06:13 PM
Sep 2019

I agree, it'll take decades to unravel the full extent of Trump's criminal story.
All his life he has prepared to take this deep dive into the annals (or should I say anals?) of great criminal histories.
A true crime family boss.

Patrick Phillips

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