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JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:01 PM Sep 2019

So republicans want the ID of the whistleblower?

They want to know who he is so they can attack his credibility. They want to know if he beats his wife, if he's an alcoholic, or if he's partisan. They're anxious to do this under the guise that it somehow negates his claims as a witness, much as they went after Brett Kavenaugh's accusers on their character.

Here's the thing. The whistleblower's cred isn't an issue here. He merely reported an incident he was privy to. When investigators looked into it, they found the allegations to be absolutely true. It doesn't matter what kind of person he or she is or what his motives are.

Let's say I'm in WalMart and after seeing someone shoplift, I report it to the manager. When security confronts the person they find hundreds of dollars worth of merch under his coat. What good does it do his court case for lawyers to investigate me? It doesn't even matter why I ratted him out, he still got caught shoplifting.

No, republicans don't want the name of the whistleblower to clear the president's name or to break down the accusations as the work of a biased malcontent. They want to destroy him or her publicly to make an example of him in case others are considering following suit.

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So republicans want the ID of the whistleblower? (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Sep 2019 OP
I'm sure Devin Nunes will oblige.. choie Sep 2019 #1
You made that point well. Newest Reality Sep 2019 #2
Recommended. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #3
Exactly Generic Other Sep 2019 #4
Targeting case study. moondust Sep 2019 #5
I also rec'd your OP due to the clarity of your analogy. Spot on. Thank you. Shrike47 Sep 2019 #6
Life to them is all about leveraging dirt on each other Baked Potato Sep 2019 #7
same thing as business NJCher Sep 2019 #11
Excellent point. volstork Sep 2019 #8
It is all that they have. If they can intimidate the WB into withdrawing NCjack Sep 2019 #9
I'm not so sure that's true. JohnnyRingo Sep 2019 #17
They require a distraction... dlk Sep 2019 #10
The whistleblower's life will be endangered if identity made public Martin Eden Sep 2019 #12
As soon as he testifies marlakay Sep 2019 #13
It takes REAL courage to step forward and do the right thing Martin Eden Sep 2019 #15
I agree I donated to his fund marlakay Sep 2019 #19
His or her credibility is an Issue to some extent... blakstoneranger Sep 2019 #14
Most definitely not. lpbk2713 Sep 2019 #16
...and his PERFECT conversation(s) with Ukraine!?! Brainfodder Sep 2019 #18
Like a "powerful wall". JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #22
They DON'T want to know if he beats his wife. THEY want to beat his wife to make an example. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #20
They want to deter future whistleblowers. Even if they don't find this one, the possibility of LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2019 #21

choie

(4,107 posts)
1. I'm sure Devin Nunes will oblige..
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:13 PM
Sep 2019

I sure hope the Dems understand how dangerous Nunez is to this process

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. You made that point well.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:17 PM
Sep 2019

That's pretty much it.

The pattern and process is more important than the contents. They want people to focus on the array of contents they can inject into this and ignore how it is actually being done; the how of it.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
5. Targeting case study.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 01:02 PM
Sep 2019
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A federal judge adopted a recommendation that the publisher of a major neo-Nazi website must pay more than $14 million in damages to a Jewish woman targeted for a relentless barrage of antisemitic threats and messages by the neo-Nazi and his followers.
~
http://www.splcenter.org/news/2019/08/08/judge-neo-nazi-must-pay-more-14-million-jewish-woman-targeted-harassment-campaign

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
7. Life to them is all about leveraging dirt on each other
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 01:24 PM
Sep 2019

It’s their business model. They have the means to do it. It’s all they bring to the table. It’s all they ever have. That’s how they control people. They are offended by truth and they are offended by the audacity of truth. They can’t argue facts or logic. Honesty and kindness and truth are weaknesses to be exploited. Dishonesty and greed is accepted as the norm. Those who dare to interrupt their cons, or expose their norms, are to be punished and crushed as a warning.

NJCher

(35,619 posts)
11. same thing as business
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:50 PM
Sep 2019

If they run a business, they feed at the trough of gov't contracts.

If they don't run the business, they just sell out their Congressional influence to whomever does run the business.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
9. It is all that they have. If they can intimidate the WB into withdrawing
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:22 PM
Sep 2019

his complaint, then the charges against Trump must also be withdrawn -- a false hope in their minds. Trump confessed in public on international TV. Good luck, Gym Jordan, in retrieving and destroying all of those video files.

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
17. I'm not so sure that's true.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:03 PM
Sep 2019

The whistleblower didn't so much level accusations and he offered no evidence. He just pointed and said "look over there at what this president is doing". Congress looked and found the evidence on their own.

One cannot withdraw a blown whistle.

Martin Eden

(12,845 posts)
12. The whistleblower's life will be endangered if identity made public
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:51 PM
Sep 2019

This is witness intimidation, intended to discourage others from coming forward.

Martin Eden

(12,845 posts)
15. It takes REAL courage to step forward and do the right thing
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:55 PM
Sep 2019

Now more than ever we need public servants with principles and courage.

marlakay

(11,425 posts)
19. I agree I donated to his fund
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:01 PM
Sep 2019

Just saying they are going to leak him. If he gets hurt I will take to the streets.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
14. His or her credibility is an Issue to some extent...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:55 PM
Sep 2019

If they can find out who this person is, they can destroy that person in the minds of trump's base and other republicans who voted for him. If trump voters think that this guy is "bad" they'll more than happily believe he is a liar, a partisan, a trump-hater, therefore, his complaint lacks truth. this will further solidify his base and increase the number of people who are undecided to vote for him. He can use the whistleblower and the media to play the victim.

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
16. Most definitely not.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:02 PM
Sep 2019



Anyone with the same last name as the WB who lives within 100 miles of
where the WB has ever lived will not be safe. RWnuts will open fire with
their assault rifles and they will be expected to be thought of as heroes.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
18. ...and his PERFECT conversation(s) with Ukraine!?!
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:06 PM
Sep 2019

Is this in the troglodyte dictionary?

These OFF/ODD phrases he repeats.

BEAUTIFUL and PERFECT is his post grabby follow up as well?


JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
22. Like a "powerful wall".
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:50 PM
Oct 2019

He picks descriptive words like I would pick a card for my mother in law. The words are irrelevant, but the picture is good enough. I put more thought into which french fry I'm going to eat next.

21. They want to deter future whistleblowers. Even if they don't find this one, the possibility of
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:10 PM
Oct 2019

being a target by the Republican hate force (DOJ, Congress, right wing media) would give a future whistleblower pause, and that's all they want. Pointing out wrongdoing within your own organization takes guts -- it instantly makes you a pariah -- and there's got to be an unshakable belief that you will be protected before coming forward. That's the whole purpose of the whistleblower law. Trump's actions prove the rule -- the subject of the whistleblower's allegations will use every tool at his disposal to annihilate the person who outed his wrongdoing.

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