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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:39 PM Sep 2019

What the Tide Turning on Trump Might Look Like

https://prospect.org/impeachment/tide-turning-on-trump-impeachment-hope/

What the Tide Turning on Trump Might Look Like
The next couple of years could play out very differently thanks to what last week’s impeachment inquiry set in motion.
by Paul Waldman
September 30, 2019

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Then the Republican Party will tear itself to pieces trying to assign blame for the whole debacle. Was it the fault of those who were insufficiently loyal to Trump, or those who so enthusiastically destroyed their own reputations to become pathetic lickspittles to this most debased of presidents? It will take years to resolve, with the most immediate effect being the merciful end of Mike Pence’s presidential ambitions.

For a decade to come, every Republican will be forced to explain their embarrassing words and actions through the Trump years. A suspicious number of them will claim that they opposed Trump all along. The public won’t buy it.

Although the hatreds and resentments Trump exploited will not disappear, they will not for the foreseeable future be so powerful as to seize control of the nation’s institutions of power. And because of all that Trump’s abuses revealed about the vulnerability of those institutions, we will see the passage of new anti-corruption measures strengthening the system against a future Trump.

As for the man himself, he will be branded forever as the one thing he worked his whole life to avoid being known as: a loser. He will keep bleating on Twitter as he fends off investigations into his lifetime of criminality, and finds himself uninvited to Republican celebrations and national commemorations. But fewer and fewer people will pay attention. With his reputation in tatters and no one seeking to buy his influence, even his business will wither. Sarah Palin, a kindred spirit in so many ways, will call him to commiserate.

Is it too much to believe that all this will come to pass? Perhaps. But none of it is fantastical or outside the realm of possibility. We should remember how one act of courage leads to another and another, and before you know it everything changes. A single government employee decides to blow the whistle, then a group of freshman members of Congress comes out in favor of an impeachment inquiry, then dozens of other members come off the fence, and within a few days the tide of history has shifted. Resistance is contagious.

For the first time in far too long, it’s starting to feel like we might be able to find our way out of the nightmare of the last three years. There’s nothing wrong with a little hope.

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What the Tide Turning on Trump Might Look Like (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2019 OP
Beyond the next couple of years GusBob Sep 2019 #1
The gop needs to embrace being a group of losers - most white/old/male. I have hope in the young, erronis Sep 2019 #6
I hope so!! That's been predicted b4 so not sure IMO Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #10
Excllent POV! Newest Reality Sep 2019 #2
Great post malaise Sep 2019 #3
You're assuming customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #4
Agree.. all they will do is slither away to reappear later when dotard is gone Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #12
I believe the disappointment Fox viewers will lunatica Sep 2019 #13
I remember the state of national shock when Republicans finally turned on Nixon. gordianot Sep 2019 #5
The media wasn't anywhere near being as ravenous as it is now lunatica Sep 2019 #17
Great post and absolutely correct. One act of courage. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #7
I just need to know where he'll be buried jayschool2013 Sep 2019 #8
He'll be cremated Zambero Sep 2019 #9
He'll be cremated, but HuskyOffset Sep 2019 #11
Can we send him there now? leftieNanner Sep 2019 #16
Sounds like a great premise jayschool2013 Sep 2019 #21
Do you really want to stand in line that long? Your bladder will never make lunatica Sep 2019 #18
The "loser" won't have a cell phone to tweet from his cell block in prison. mudstump Sep 2019 #14
The children will be let out of the cages. Oppaloopa Sep 2019 #20
I hope this ends the Roger Ailes era. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2019 #15
one act of courage leads to another and another EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #19
A lot of Republican representatives in the House are retiring. The GOP knows that it is in Stuart G Sep 2019 #22

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
1. Beyond the next couple of years
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:44 PM
Sep 2019

No to dismiss the short term future but looking further down the road: between guns, climate and religion, the GOP has lost an entire generation of young and future voters

erronis

(15,241 posts)
6. The gop needs to embrace being a group of losers - most white/old/male. I have hope in the young,
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:11 PM
Sep 2019

multi-hued voters of the future.

(Says one white/old/male.)

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. You're assuming
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 01:33 PM
Sep 2019

that enough GOP Senators will come over to our side. Good luck with that.

If you dare, go look over at the Fox News site, and see all the spinning they're doing to keep the base on board.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. I believe the disappointment Fox viewers will
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:09 PM
Sep 2019

find it’s outlet in Fox News. The magats, the word itself no longer in big ass upper case, will feel betrayed in some hard to fathom way (hard for them). They will simply go back to their resting state of sullen self pity.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
5. I remember the state of national shock when Republicans finally turned on Nixon.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 01:56 PM
Sep 2019

Even then it was just a few and they did not advertise what was happening. By that time they had cleaned out Agnew and Nixon’s conflicted Attorney General.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
17. The media wasn't anywhere near being as ravenous as it is now
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:15 PM
Sep 2019

we have to understand that times have changed drastically with the modern electronic age of instant communication. In Nixon’s time the only outlet we had was a half hour of nightly news on a daily basis. Anything in depth was relegated to 60 Minutes and the like.

Now it’s 24/7/365. Times really have changed and we’re just beginning to realize how much.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
9. He'll be cremated
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:44 PM
Sep 2019

Then Melania will take the urn up to the Trump Tower penthouse and promptly flush his ashes down the gold-plated toilet. At the point, you and others can pay "homage" by way of any public urinal in that part of Manhattan.

HuskyOffset

(888 posts)
11. He'll be cremated, but
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 02:54 PM
Sep 2019

the resulting material will be considered a toxic biohazard too dangerous to be released. It will be locked away in some sort of highly secure facility until the far distant future when we have the ability to transport it to the nearest black hole, wherein it can stored for all time.

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
21. Sounds like a great premise
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:40 PM
Sep 2019

for the fourth season of "Stranger Things." The Russians try to reanimate the ashes, of course.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
15. I hope this ends the Roger Ailes era.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:13 PM
Sep 2019

His plan to prevent impeachment, NO MATTER HOW HIGH THE CRIME, exposes a deep-seated level of corruption of the Republican Party. Their methodology of "talking points" and "fall in line" NO MATTER WHAT could be their undoing.

P.S. Going after the entire state of California because California is acting in a responsible manner may be the best argument for the lack of morals in the GOP.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
22. A lot of Republican representatives in the House are retiring. The GOP knows that it is in
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 03:50 PM
Sep 2019

deep trouble. So instead of fighting the good fight in November 2020, get out, they take their pensions and leave for good. Those that are leaving know that it is going to be a real fight to stay in with Trump as president. Even if he is removed, some who have retired don't want to be around to defend their actions.
..They all know that November 2020 will be a bloodbath for their party. You know what they say, "Get out while the going is good." More will retire and leave the show. Stay tuned, same time ,same station, "As Mr. Trump Turns The Republican Party Inside Out...What a show.

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