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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:18 PM Sep 2019

Baseball had its worst attendance in 16 years

Eric Fisher of Sportsbusiness.com reported this morning that Major League Baseball had its worst attendance in sixteen years in 2019. Total attendance was 68.49 million, which is down 1.7% from 2018 and represents the sixth decline in attendance in the last seven seasons. Attendance is down a whopping 14% from its height in 2007.

An increasing number of teams simply not trying to win. There were four 100-loss teams in 2019 and six more teams lost at least 90 games. Most of that losing was due to rebuilds which have not prioritized spending money or winning at the major league level. All of that bad play led to extreme competitive imbalance and almost non-existent pennant races. Given that baseball ticket prices apparently only go up from year to year, never down, it’s not surprising at all that the demand for the increasingly expensive product that is a major league baseball game has sunk

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/baseball-had-its-worst-attendance-in-16-years/ar-AAI4bCj?ocid=spartanntp

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Baseball had its worst attendance in 16 years (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2019 OP
If they would stop with the ceaseless trades, Aristus Sep 2019 #1
I agree 100% icymist Sep 2019 #12
Maybe. But team-shuffling was also common in the 90s... First Speaker Sep 2019 #24
All the HRs and Ks ain't doing it for me Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #2
I haven't watched five minutes of a baseball game in thirty years or more. lpbk2713 Sep 2019 #3
The strike of 1993(?) did me in rurallib Sep 2019 #9
That turned me off the sport as well. Dagstead Bumwood Sep 2019 #46
I can't afford to take my family...tickets, parking, food. I should be able to take a family of 4 cbdo2007 Sep 2019 #4
Add in that salaries for America's workers have been stagnant rurallib Sep 2019 #10
Ya we need them to drop ticket prices and build cheap-price seating Volaris Sep 2019 #39
Surprised??? NOT who can afford it?? The very rich I suppose Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #5
The Rich bdamomma Sep 2019 #37
It isn't affordable any more. murielm99 Sep 2019 #6
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #14
Baseball season's extremely long too sakabatou Sep 2019 #7
They're making baseball unwatchable Green Line Sep 2019 #8
It is the same for football exboyfil Sep 2019 #26
Bottom line is that baseball is boring. Unless your kid is playing, it is the most dull of games. unitedwethrive Sep 2019 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #16
The difference is that in chess you eventually see the strategy. unitedwethrive Sep 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #20
100% agree obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #21
Terrible weather can explain drop easily enough beachbumbob Sep 2019 #13
With the analytics, endless drawn out games and all or nothing at bats, the game is unwatchable. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2019 #15
Too many commercials. Doc_Technical Sep 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #19
The game has *always* been a "business" for the players, and they *never* had any "team loyalty"... First Speaker Sep 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #34
I was a Reds fan in Southern California in the 1970s exboyfil Sep 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #33
I like baseball just the way it is. Kingofalldems Sep 2019 #22
You and me both GusBob Sep 2019 #23
I do too, but... kwolf68 Sep 2019 #27
Me Too!! Dave in VA Sep 2019 #42
Families and young fans are being "priced" saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #28
The game has become a farce... First Speaker Sep 2019 #29
Football and the culture around it awful. Kingofalldems Sep 2019 #31
Money has ruined MLB baseball Yeehah Sep 2019 #32
Haven't been to MLB in several decades. But, I have been to a few minor league games. Hoyt Sep 2019 #35
Big Yankees fan here. I like baseball just the way it is as a game. stopbush Sep 2019 #36
Sorry MLB but you have to lower prices. kacekwl Sep 2019 #38
Went to a Phillies game this year Trenzalore Sep 2019 #40
Too expensive The Genealogist Sep 2019 #41
Games are available on TV and streaming. No need to go to the games. Yavin4 Sep 2019 #43
When Drayton McClain owned the Astros they had a great farm system that produced Dustlawyer Sep 2019 #44
I don't know about you, but I resent paying for ballparks with our tax dollars... blue neen Sep 2019 #45

Aristus

(66,299 posts)
1. If they would stop with the ceaseless trades,
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:22 PM
Sep 2019

The constant team-shuffling that makes our favored squad all but unrecognizable from season to season, and the placing of a huge salary on one single player (pitcher, usually), and instead work on team building, I might start going to games again.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
12. I agree 100%
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 05:00 PM
Sep 2019

With all these new players who are playing at a minor league level, why am I going to pay major league prices? I could just go see a minor league game! I swear that some of these teams wanted a losing season.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
24. Maybe. But team-shuffling was also common in the 90s...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:26 PM
Sep 2019

...and the game exploded in popularity then. I'm more inclined to blame the long, dull games with too much dead time, and the sheer madness of 13-man pitching staffs...

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
2. All the HRs and Ks ain't doing it for me
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:23 PM
Sep 2019

I'm sure attendance has more to do with the volume of losing but the "swinging for the fences" and "strkeouts don't matter" in vogue turns me off. I will watch my team in the playoffs but really don't appreciate the turn MLB has taken.

lpbk2713

(42,744 posts)
3. I haven't watched five minutes of a baseball game in thirty years or more.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:27 PM
Sep 2019


Same with most other pro sports. I will watch a little bit of the Super Bowl or the NFL playoffs now and then. Players getting multi-year multi-million dollar contracts turned me off. It's alright to be compensated for being good at what you do but things have gotten obscene.

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
9. The strike of 1993(?) did me in
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:55 PM
Sep 2019

I was a huge fan before then. Since I have seen maybe a couple hours of baseball on TV.
Games are ridiculously long and uncompetitive any more.

I a down to college sports for my sports fix.

Dagstead Bumwood

(3,599 posts)
46. That turned me off the sport as well.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:14 PM
Sep 2019

I stopped watching altogether. And, I missed it a bit of first, but I just kept ignoring it, and eventually enough time passed and I didn't miss it anymore. Now seasons come and go without me even noticing. Plenty more interesting things in the world to occupy my time.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
4. I can't afford to take my family...tickets, parking, food. I should be able to take a family of 4
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:27 PM
Sep 2019

to a KC Royals game for about $60 INCLUDING tickets, parking, and food.

Sure, a few years ago when they were good they could charge that much but only a handful of teams actually compete each year and the rest of the league struggles to fill seats.

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
10. Add in that salaries for America's workers have been stagnant
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019

and a lot of people are just priced out of the market these days.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
39. Ya we need them to drop ticket prices and build cheap-price seating
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:58 PM
Sep 2019

Instead of million dollar boxes.

If it were the case that I ever got to buy a team n build them a stadium (haha dreams) I'd dig that ballfield 50 feet down, and make the seats in the outfield a terraced lawn ampitheatre type deal.
bring a cooler, a blanket and the kids n charge 50 bucks a blanket (up to five humans) and 15 bucks a head after that.

They want asses in seats, gotta charge less for the seats, unless the economy picks up.

(On edit) Full disclosure: I live in st louis. Wainwright and the entire pitching staff should have written up the other day.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
37. The Rich
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
Sep 2019

are the only ones in the country, the Middle class is no more and muzzled, why do they find us so threatening??? We are not taking their money they are taking ours.

murielm99

(30,718 posts)
6. It isn't affordable any more.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:38 PM
Sep 2019

At one time, I could take my kids and afford the tickets, parking, food. They are adults now. I don't know how any working family can afford a day at the ball park.

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
8. They're making baseball unwatchable
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 04:49 PM
Sep 2019

With all the mound visits, pitching changes, pitchers taking forever to throw the ball and now replay, it’s just becoming too slow.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
11. Bottom line is that baseball is boring. Unless your kid is playing, it is the most dull of games.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 05:00 PM
Sep 2019

Back 100 years ago, there was not much else to compete with a local baseball game. It was a social activity as well as a source of civic pride. Now days there are plenty of activities which provide much more fulfillment.

Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #11)

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
18. The difference is that in chess you eventually see the strategy.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 05:41 PM
Sep 2019

In baseball, it only seems like strategy if teamwork happens...and even then, good outcomes are often not because of strategy.

Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #18)

BlueTsunami2018

(3,488 posts)
15. With the analytics, endless drawn out games and all or nothing at bats, the game is unwatchable.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

The shift, lack of fundamentals like sacrificing, hit and run and base stealing....so many things have made a game that was slow to begin with like frozen molssses. It’s just not fun to watch. It’s a bad product. And yeah, the high prices for an inferior game also hurts.

They need to figure something out.

Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
25. The game has *always* been a "business" for the players, and they *never* had any "team loyalty"...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:29 PM
Sep 2019

...any more than the owners had any "loyalty" for them. The idea that baseball before free agency was every bit as mercenary as it is now, and a lot more unfair...

Response to First Speaker (Reply #25)

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
30. I was a Reds fan in Southern California in the 1970s
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:37 PM
Sep 2019

My family was from Huntington, WV. That was kind of rough given the rivalry with the Dodgers. The one Dodgers game I went to as a 9th grader had an adult Dodgers fan accost me for cheering for the Reds. I was with a church group and essentially by myself (I didn't know anybody else in the group). Very scary.

Response to exboyfil (Reply #30)

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
23. You and me both
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:23 PM
Sep 2019

Go Brewers! *

*hey a successful small market team that drew nearly 2million fans

Living in the remote country baseball on the radio is my savior

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
27. I do too, but...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:35 PM
Sep 2019

I still love to see quality fundamental baseball, moving runners, being aggressive on the base paths instead of waiting around for the homer.

And while everyone is in love with 100MPH velo and 15 strike outs, I tell you who I enjoyed watching pitch this year? Guys like John Means, Alex Young, Zach Grienke, none of which with overpowering stuff, but all 3 are artists on the mound. I find myself enjoying guys throw 80 pitchers over 7 innings while giving up 4 hits and a run. Efficiency these pitchers give you move the game faster and puts the ball in play more, in short, it's just a better product.

Compare that to watching a guy like Robbie Ray pitch. He's dynamic as a talent, but it may take him 2 hours to get to the 5th inning and while he likely will have 10+ strikeouts, he'll also have his share of deep counts, walks and wild pitchers, slowing the game down to a boring pace.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
28. Families and young fans are being "priced"
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:36 PM
Sep 2019

out of the market at ballparks. TV doesn't capture the "spirit" of the game. The article spells out the causes and likely blow backs in earnings and fans. imo

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
29. The game has become a farce...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:36 PM
Sep 2019

...front-office "analytics" gurus running the show--a classic example of the tail wagging the dog. 13-man pitching staffs, with endless pitching changes and virtually nobody on the bench--ie, a whole host of left-handed relief specialists at the expense of real baseball players. All for the most shadowy advantages imaginable. This has taken the action out of the game, leading to long and dull games with constant dead time. Nothing but home runs or strikeouts. This is a little like baseball in the 60s--but there are a lot more home runs today and a lot more strikeouts. And in the 60s, we had Koufax and Gibson and Marichal and Seaver and guys like that, who pitched 300 innings a year. Today, people panic if someone approaches 200 innings. The old way was a lot more fun to watch--if you had a pitcher's duel, you didn't take it for granted they'd both be out by the 7th inning. I love baseball, even today's game...but I don't love it as much as I used to, and don't blame people for staying away from the parks...

Kingofalldems

(38,426 posts)
31. Football and the culture around it awful.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:43 PM
Sep 2019

CTE

Screaming talk show hosts

Owners sitting high up in luxury boxes watching their gladiators.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Haven't been to MLB in several decades. But, I have been to a few minor league games.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:52 PM
Sep 2019

You can drive and park close to ballpark. Admission and food is reasonable and it's fun.

I was a big fan in 50s/60s, but only because I played Little League.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
36. Big Yankees fan here. I like baseball just the way it is as a game.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
Sep 2019

Tickets are generally too expensive, and one must assume that huge player salaries and servicing debt on new stadium construction has a lot to do with it. I’ve been to only one pro game in the last 15 years (local team is the Angels. Meh), whereas I went a lot to old Yankee Stadium when I lived there. I watch a lot of baseball on MLB, ESPN etc.

But I’m 65.

kacekwl

(7,014 posts)
38. Sorry MLB but you have to lower prices.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
Sep 2019

Baseball along with all professional sports is just a rich guy or corporate game now. No one I know myself included has been to a game unless someone had corporate tickets. I was watching a game the other day and saw a hot dog vendor in the stands the sign on his box read 7.50 for a dog. Come on man.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
40. Went to a Phillies game this year
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:00 PM
Sep 2019

The tickets were $25 without fees probably $35 after they tacked on the fees.

They charged $18 to park. It was hot, they charged $5 for a bottle of water (normal size). They charged $10 for a beer and $12 for a Pizza that can be best described as slightly better than a Tostino Party Pizza.

It was hot, I got 3 bottles of water. Cost of attending the game around $80 all considered. Cannot afford to do that every weekend so I go to the ball park once a year.

The day I went Bryce Harper went out in the 4th inning due to the heat. I only got 4 innings of the star attraction.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
41. Too expensive
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:23 PM
Sep 2019

I've been to 5 baseball games, three KC Royals games, two Springfield, MO Cardinals games. All five involved tickets I didn't have to pay for. I like baseball if it is a fast-paced game. One of the KC games I saw when I was about 11 was absolutely miserable. They were playing the Angels, and we finally left after 11:00, I think it went to something like 14 innings.

I prefer to listen to baseball on the radio. I think it is because I used to listen to the St Louis Cards with my grandpa, whom I idolized, so that made it special.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
43. Games are available on TV and streaming. No need to go to the games.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:48 PM
Sep 2019

I never go to games in NYC because of the ticket cost and transportation getting there is a headache. Also, every Yankees/Mets game is on TV. So why go?

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
44. When Drayton McClain owned the Astros they had a great farm system that produced
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:59 PM
Sep 2019

many great pitchers. When a pitcher had a breakout year he would be traded before he could demand big money. The Astros were content fielding a mediocre team as long as the loyal fans kept attending. He was in it for the money and not to win.

Owning a major sports franchise should be a public trust that you intend to try to win it all every year. Due to the climbing salaries something more must be done to keep the small markets in the game and with a chance to win it all.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
45. I don't know about you, but I resent paying for ballparks with our tax dollars...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:10 PM
Sep 2019

yet the owner of the team refuses to spend the money it would take to win.

Bob Nutting is making money hand over fist, while we pay for PNC Park. He could not care less about putting a winning team on the field. So, he fields a team that is now a civic embarrassment.

I'd say resentment felt by the fans is going to continue to keep a lot of people away from the ballpark.

Bob Nutting is disgusting. He deserves our wrath.

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