This is TREASON plain and simple

[malaise]

Shaking down one government and withholding military aid; asking other foreign governments to investigate US intelligence employees to exonerate himself re the Russian involvement in the 2016 elections and using the Department of Justice , the State Department and who knows what other departments for this self serving criminality.

This is fucking serious stuff DUers!

Go Dems! Lock them all up!

[saidsimplesimon]

1. I asked if we "had a Russian

mole in our WH". It's worse than I imagined.

[asiliveandbreathe]

2. How to piss off an intelligence agency..or a state dept...or the FBI...

I do believe , the latest revelations concerning Barr going to all these countries to investigate the Mueller report information "investigate the investigators" has kicked a hornets nest..I see this as also an attempt to remove Russia from being the perps of hacking..the people in those US agencies have had enough...DRIP-DRIP-DRIP...

Thus, Volker resigning and will testify...

[Capperdan]

3. And you know what we did to traitors in the old days

Give him a pair of concrete boots

[copperearth]

4. No, obstruction on of justice ...

The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Yes, this is serious for Trump to blackmail countires he has promised aid to but not treason. We have no declared wars and haven't since WWII.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. *sigh* as much as you'd like it to be, it's not treason

As the crime is very specifically defined in the constitution. Let's not fall into the same inaccurate hyperbole as Trump.

It's certainly a betrayal of the country and the oath of office, and I know that doesn't roll off the tongue as quickly as "Treason!"...but "Betrayal!" only has one more syllable...

[flying_wahini]

7. Not yet....

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. Never, unless Congress declares war on another country

the crime of Treason requires "aid and comfort" to an enemy in a declared war, or waging war on the US.

I guess if Trump tried to lead an armed brigade from one of his rallies to overthrow the US government, then that *might* meet the definition of treason...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. point to the Article, Section and clause of the Constitution requiring "a declared war"

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. Look up the Rosenberg case

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-treason-and-who-can-be-convicted-of-it/

[triron]

15. That's one case. So what?

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. It looks like you're going to be disappointed

Nobody is getting charged with treason.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. CBS does not override the U.S. Constitution

Prosecutors often pick the easier charge to make.

[Fiendish Thingy]

19. Again, you're going to be disappointed

There will be no prosecutions for treason.

Hopefully, there will be prosecutions, period.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

20. you presume too much

You have no idea whether or not I will be disappointed.

You cannot know "there will be no prosecutions for treason".

It is unlikely that anyone will be charged with treason, simply because of the punishments Congress has declared for treason in the U.S. Code. In spite of this, Trump and others in his circle have committed treason as defined in the U.S. Constitution.

[world wide wally]

21. So, were we at war with Japan at the time they bombed Pearl Harbor?

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. Who was charged with treason for acts related to Pearl Harbor? Nt

[world wide wally]

23. Not in direct reference to treason.

Just extrapolating the written definition. There is always a first act of war and I'm wondering where that "first act of war" falls into the definition.

[malaise]

11. OK let's go with betrayal

You are correct

[Kid Berwyn]

6. Trump's actions serve Russia

Ukraine needs to get with the program.

And it is treason — war time or no war — Presidents take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not Russia’s.

[lpbk2713]

10. Couldn't be plainer ... Couldn't be simpler.

There is no doubt Trump is a thief and a liar.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

13. K&R You got that right, malaise!

[spanone]

14. And doing all this with the complicity of the Departments of Justice & State....

He may be a dictator

LOCK THEM UP QUICK!

[real Cannabis calm]

16. K&R

[ramen]

24. It is surely awfully close

"I may have committed some.. light treason.."
- George Bluth