Am I the only one who's not afraid of a "civil war"?

[PNW-Dem]

Not that it has any chance of happening, but am I supposed to be afraid of a bunch of tubby MAGA hat wearing losers?

[calguy]

1. Not worried here

Those dudes are all talk and no brains.

[live love laugh]

93. It's domestic terrorism by Republicans

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Not worried about any actual war which would mean us arming against “them”. That’s really not the case. They’re basically planning to try to stifle dissent with AR 15s.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. They would have to pry themselves out of their lounge chairs to "go to war".

[machoneman]

67. Hard to hold onto their walkers while waging war!

LOL!

[beachbumbob]

3. I am a 2nd amendment democrat so I have little fear

[sharedvalues]

56. You mean the false 2nd Amendment interpretation created by Scalia?

A fraud on the American public." That’s how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum.




https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment

[Polybius]

66. Warren Burger wasn't exactly a "rock-ribbed conservative"

I don't care who appointed him, a Republican President also gave us John Paul Stevens and David Souter. By the end of his tenure, he was hated by conservatives.

[sharedvalues]

98. lol

[beachbumbob]

73. never said I believed in unfettered access to weapons and the great majority of gun owners believe

the same way I do. We aren't members of the NRA, I quit that piece of shit organization 30 years ago when they stopped being an advocated for sportsmen.

[sharedvalues]

99. +1

Me too. 25 years ago

[NickB79]

97. Nice straw man

Even Scalia said the 2nd Amendment wasn't "unfettered". He explicitly stated most gun control laws were constitutional in Heller.

[X_Digger]

107. You mean the right that the same framers ensconced in their respective state constitutions?

The present-day Pennsylvania Constitution, using language adopted in 1790, declares: "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

Vermont: Adopted in 1777, the Vermont Constitution closely tracks the Pennsylvania Constitution. It states "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State.."

Kentucky: The 1792 Kentucky constitution was nearly contemporaneous with the Second Amendment, which was ratified in 1791. Kentucky declared: "That the right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State, shall not be questioned."

Alabama: The Alabama Constitution, adopted in 1819, guarantees "that every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state".

Funny how this 'militia only' nonsense ignores the states' founding documents, some even ratified before the federal amendment.

Of course, nobody except Michael Waldman (the author of the piece) claims anyone expects an 'unfettered' right.

[sharedvalues]

110. You're talking about the widespread opinion of everyone

Before the NRA and their rightwing billionaire donors changed the interpretation to use gun identity politics to get votes.

Ps that same change and same gun identity politics gets our children massacred at schools.

Thanks, NRA. Thanks, John Roberts. Thanks, Federalist Society.

[X_Digger]

111. Wasn't "widespread" to anyone who studied history.

Certainly wasn't "widespread" in the South, West, or Mountain regions.

Our rights don't work that way. There is no right ensconced in our founding documents that works that way.

Anyone who's familiar with the philosophy of the enlightenment laughs at such an interpretation.

If it were "widespread" then why didn't NYC just ban non-militia firearms in 1909? If it were so "widespread" then surely some law, somewhere, sometime between 1792 and now would have been explicit, right? Care to find one law that says that? Just one, I'll wait.

[sharedvalues]

112. Widespread. Militia only. You seem to not have read this article

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856

Or this one.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/2nd-amendment-hasnt-always-guaranteed-the-right-to-own-guns.html


Read up!

[X_Digger]

115. Oh I've read both pieces. I see you haven't found one law that was explicit, right?

Psst, even Stevens' dissent in Heller admits that the right protects an individual right.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/554/570/

The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right” or an “individual right.” Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals.

[sharedvalues]

119. Can't help you if you're going to ignore fact

And take quotes out of context

[X_Digger]

120. Facts like no law ever passed said. 'guns are for militias only'?

Facts like that?

Fucking duh.

Here's a fact you seem to have missed.. from 1790, BEFORE the federal amendments..

"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

How's that "militia only" bullshit sit with that?

[sharedvalues]

121. Now conflating law and Constitution. Nm

[X_Digger]

123. Nope, but neither support the 'militia only' bullshit. n/t

[Buzz cook]

154. Why?

Because you have a magic symbol that protects you from harm?

Armed people die in wars all the time. The citizens of Laurence Kansas had access to arms. Terrorists don't care that you have a piece of metal in a holster.

[alittlelark]

4. No fear here, and all the gun owners I know r libs

[Blue_true]

19. There are some things that are far more deadly than guns.

The issue is civil wars bring those things out.

Those people should not lightly be talking about civil war.

[alittlelark]

34. No debate there - but the R's are trying to invoke FEAR

The US Civil War was hideous, and drawn on semi-distinct lines. A new one will NOT be so easily differentiated. We live next door to each other and our kids play on the same soccer team.....

[robbob]

75. Look what happened in Rwanda

Neighbours who had been living peacefully side by side where suddenly hacking each other to death with machetes. Couldn’t happen here? Never underestimate the power of hate, which is the fuel that drives tRump and the reThuglican party.

[maxsolomon]

5. If any violence happens it will be Stochastic Terror

it won't be organized, just lone wolfs attacking "Liberal" gathering places: Whole Foods, Espresso Stands, Farmer's Markets. the Proud Boys may get in (more) fights with Antifa in Portland OR.

But there's going to be a whole lot of saber rattling from The Con and his flying monkeys.

[lapfog_1]

6. not afraid of them

but it is LIKELY we will see (more) Trump inspired mass shootings... and a non-zero chance of targeted assassination attempts on Democratic Leaders

[Deb]

7. Oh, hell no! I've laughed and asked them who's gonna cook your food

and wash your britches?

[fierywoman]

8. Yeah we'll be in the streets alright:

[Jarqui]

9. I am fearful of people getting hurt - not so much myself

He's stoking some nuts to act.
Who needs another Oklahoma domestic terrorist moment?

[wcast]

10. One of my favorite pics.

[link:|

[PNW-Dem]

38. Love it

Thanks. I'm gonna get some mileage out of this one.

[Newest Reality]

43. Shiverin'

Makes me so sceered.

They should call them the Cardiac Arrest Brigade. Ah, some day we may talk about the Battle of Heart Attack Hill

[Duppers]

70. Compensating for little dicks ...

they can no longer find under those bellies.

[ConnorMarc]

80. LMBAO!!!

So accurate.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

[Generic Other]

159. These guys will provide the Meal Team tactical support

[malaise]

11. Seriously who do you think would fight a civil war over

Don the Con - this fucker has never once had 50% approval.
He will learn.

[PNW-Dem]

42. Other than Eric and Dj, nobody

.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

12. Civile war? Nah.

Virginia Woolfe? That's a different story.

[Blue_true]

13. The problem is, those people have no idea of what a civil war is like.

They really think that they will still be able to go out for the $5 breakfast at IHOP and attend their bingo games and chuckle about cute pictures of the kids or grandkids at the beach.

[customerserviceguy]

106. And a lot of people on the ultra-progressive side

have no idea what a "revolution" will look like, yet they have dreamy recollections (many of which are second-hand) about how "cool" the 1960's were.

[Blue_true]

114. The real hippies from the 60s were either stoned or getting laid or both, so I would be a bit

suspicious about the recollections of a revolution from those men and women.

[customerserviceguy]

116. Well, that's why

I mentioned "second-hand" recollections, some gauzy view of the past that is considerably different from the reality. While the hippies were indeed unreliable, one could easily access newspaper and magazine accounts of the time in a rather selective manner.

And, if the folks who think "revolution" is always wonderful got that notion from their baby boomer parents who were actually too young to experience the tough side of it, that may fuel their misconceptions.

I have no doubt that "glorious" memories, so to speak, infuse the conversations about the Civil War in the southern states. They would undoubtedly be the first to lead a secession drive.

[Blue_true]

118. Some boomers were really young in the sixties.

The ones that were adults have mostly turned out to have changed nothing. But yeah, the "revolution" that did happen was met with severe violence and at the end death (Kent State). Nixon enlisted the older ones to his side by lying to them.

BTW, I am a boomer, but remember Kent State only from historical accounts, I was young and not even interested in girls yet at that time, so serious world events were even farther from my conscience.

[Corgigal]

14. I'm just worried

about what color I would wear. I was born in the south but raised in the north.

Shit, gets complicated.

[KentuckyWoman]

22. Watch your language

if go back south and ask for Pop or Soda you'll be lucky to get back over the mason dixon line in one piece.

hahaha

[Buns_of_Fire]

45. Don't forget the Moon Pie! nt

[drray23]

47. So wait ? What's the code?

I've been living in southeastern Virginia for 20 yrs but I'm not a southerner. I was born in France. Am I supposed to say soda or pop ? Now of course, I still have a bit if a french accent so that kinda gives it away...

[KentuckyWoman]

113. "What kinda cokes ya got?"

That is the proper request in the south.

And if they reply "Pepsi" ... leave. The place is run by impostors.

[PatrickforO]

142. Ok, you've got me curious now.

In Colorado we call it 'pop.' Back east they call it 'soda.'

So...why are these terms considered bad in the south? What do they call it there?

(funny aside - my Dad hated pop and always called it 'gutwash.' But then, he had at least two bourbon and waters every night of his life, so I take that with a grain of salt. I no longer drink 'gutwash,' and am now a water only kind of guy.)

[KentuckyWoman]

166. Anyone FROM the south will ask

"what kinda cokes ya got?"

If you say pop or soda they KNOW you are a (damn) yankee. Atlanta and the beach areas are pretty tolerant of yankee's. But they might still lick your glass. Some parts of the south they still refer to the civil war as "the war of northern aggression" and I would not recommend saying "pop" or "soda" in those parts.

Just run for the border. haha

[PatrickforO]

168. Wow. The war of Northern agression...

How the heck will we ever work through that and really become one people?

[Blue_true]

24. Just wear purple. nt

[blm]

129. WWFMD?

[unblock]

15. how bad can it be if it's still civil? now, an *un*-civil war, that could get messy....

[Raster]

16. Ya know, let's just go ahead and peel off a piece and give it to them...

... Welcome to Dumbfuckistan!

[Blue_true]

26. I have been an advocate of splitting up the nation.

And moving people to the country they prefer, with a right to minor children to change countries at 21 years of age.

We could have a mutual defense for the first 20 years, but after that each country must have build it's own military and federal police.

[PNW-Dem]

39. Yes, build the wall

...from Canada to Mexico along the Cascades and Sierras...

[PJMcK]

40. "...One nation, indivisible..."

I think I've heard that phrase before.

(wink)

[Blue_true]

50. The problem is that we have never before been this divided.

One side is having fantasies about civil war. If it comes to war, I would rather just divide up the country and move onward.

[alittlelark]

58. NEVER gonna happen !! R/W fantasy

[PatrickforO]

144. Oh, man, I'm not sure that's a good idea at all. Sure,

it's chic in academic circles, and certainly has propelled a few publish or perish careers, BUT...

Remember history - when a people is displaced from where they live for political reasons it is a miserable, ugly, violent affair. Consider the split between India and Pakistan. They split over religion and it was horrible. Over ten million people were uprooted from their places and about two million died.

We don't really want that, do we?

Consider this - big oil and our carbon dependency has brought this earth to a tipping point. A few more years like we've been going and this planet will be on an irreversible downward trend toward uninhabitability. Now, to my mind the solution to this is that we grow up as a species and start planning ahead as a species. This means we're going to need to reorganize ourselves around human need instead of greed, and set things up so everyone gets enough and we don't have a very few billionaires with their hands always in our pockets.

Now, I know you're probably scoffing and thinking me some kind of unicorn, ready to trot off through the tulips and start a commune, but I'm not. I'm just realistic about the long-term possibilities of this capitalist utopia in which we live. Capitalism is a cancer on the earth - a scourge. The disease of an adolescent species, wherein we are strong enough to kill each other off but not wise enough not to.

Splitting this country along theocratic lines goes backwards from where we need to be. Now, more than ever, we need to bring everyone together, not drive them apart.

Sorry for the sermon, but I really dislike the idea of splitting this country (or any country) up. Instead of that, maybe we ought to be embracing our commonalities and paying more attention to the United Nations.

[Blue_true]

150. People would get financial assistance to move. If they chose not to move, they will

have to live by the rules of the society they stay in.

[nolabear]

17. No. I'm far more afraid of election interference, massive disinformation campaigns and crazies.

It's easy to say you'll shoot someone but organizing and letting yourself be in danger? Your average person wouldn't volunteer for that. But there might be more random monsters out there who feel fine killing innocents in the name of the monster-in-chief. And if I was a vocal Democrat in government I'd have security. Those, I think, are the dangers.

[vlyons]

18. I'm not afraid

Just so much blather from Trump

[KentuckyWoman]

20. I'm terrified

Some people might unfriend me on Facebook.

That's as far as I see it going - as far as the bulk of Magas. Oh you'll see a few whacks show up with 10 guns strapped to them to protest at a Walmart somewhere. You might have a few more mass shootings. All tragic, but it isn't going to a mass invasion of neighborhoods where progressives tend to live.

[NewJeffCT]

21. I don't think there will be a civil war

but, I'm guessing we'll get a few "incidents" where Trumpsters try mass shootings. I think anything organized will be stopped cold.

[PatrickforO]

145. Yeah, with what is happening now, it looks as if our institutions will hold...

this time.

[Kaleva]

23. The people I interact with almost daily don't seem to have much interest in any of this.

If there's to be a civil war, it's going to be very poorly attended IMHO.

[Blue_true]

35. Heck, most people want to get the coffee and donut in the morning without much trouble.

A civil war totally F that up.

[stevil]

25. Hell no.

I follow some of the RW "armed" sites where they talk a lot of shit but can't make it happen. Their greatest success so far (organized and in numbers) is organizing peaceful Tea Party meetings around the end of W and with GOP guidance/help. Everything else pretty much turns out to be a big nothing and even "The Oathkeepers" are notorious for backing out at the last moment when the wheel needs to hit the rubber.

[stonecutter357]

27. lol

[bluestarone]

29. If that's what it takes to get this asshole out

SO BE IT!!! For the Grandkids!

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. Trump supporters are bullshitting cowards just like he his!!

Afraid? NOT!

[Lib 4 Life]

31. Depends on where you live. civil war... nope. real people being harmed by this...absolutely

[Duppers]

72. Bingo! ⬆⬆

There are places where you can get your tires slashed and your car keyed just for a bumper sticker, not to mention getting your dog poisoned by a neighbor who hated your Obama sign. Happened.

Apparently y'all don't know some of these haters. "Battles" won't happen, snipping can. Why else do we need to protect the whistleblower?

[The Genealogist]

87. his is where i stand

I am not seeing the TrumpHumpers having enough brains or discipline to carry out a real civil war. It takes more than just guns to do it. I do see people snapping and going on rampages. I live in a very red area, and am thus concerned what the Yahoo's around here are capable of individually.

[quickesst]

32. who do they kill first?

Their liberal son? Their liberal daughter? Mom? Dad? Sister? Brother? Decisions decisions.

[ooky]

85. Probably themselves.

[quickesst]

94. haha....

Looks like that may be a good possibility.

[Maru Kitteh]

108. Wow! The slo-mo on that is really impressive

[Buns_of_Fire]

117. It goes better with music...

[dawg day]

33. Someone started a hilarious thread of what food we should bring to the Civil War potluck dinner

It's very funny, but the idea of Trumpers deciding to make war on the rest of us -- well, yes, I think of that utterly incompetent Trumpy bomber. Most are incompetent and lazy. Some have automatic weapons.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/secondcivilwarpotluck

[miyazaki]

37. Goober Peas.

[Hortensis]

54. :) That person worrying about potato salad is onto something.

We know there's never been a potluck without, usually several. My guess is bagged potatoes, macaroni, and hamburger starting to sell out at the same time will signal time to get cooking. Don't want hoards of people running down the streets waving spatulas and yelling "hot diiiish!!!" to be the first notice.

We'll clog up the ones with guns so bad they'll still be sleeping it off after it's over.

[Skidmore]

79. Now you've done it...

I need that casserole. So hungry now.

[Hortensis]

83. Lol, happily anonymous, I admit I could lunch on that.

Hot diish!

[Politicub]

57. Such a funny thread. Someone posted that he's a gen-xer so he would bring a pack

of grocery store cookies.

This gen-xer can relate.

[NCLefty]

36. The first one killed 620,000 Americans. We should all be afraid of that.

Of course, the first civil war had clearly-delineated lines.... north v. south. How do we conduct one where any given American neighborhood could be split red/blue?

I'm not sure I see this happening over Donald Trump, but I'm not going to taunt the notion either.

[PatrickforO]

146. My people were in Missouri, which actually had more actions during the civil war

than most other states. If you read your history about that little neck of the woods, there was nothing clearly delineated about it. Pro-south bushwackers fought viciously against the union people and many were killed for their sympathies.

Civil war is an ugly, bloody, confusing thing that turns brother against brother, father against son and mother against daughter.

Like you, I'm afraid of something like that happening now, but I'm thinking Trump has fucked up so bad, with the circumstances mercifully simple to understand for simple Americans, that he's losing all credibility. It won't happen. (fingers crossed)

[NCLefty]

147. Ah. Thanks for the color. :)

[Maven]

41. Listen to the podcast "It Could Happen Here"

I know that we all like to laugh at the idea of "tubby MAGA hat wearing losers" but there are organized and heavily armed groups that exist. They would be no match for our armed forces but they could cause plenty of mayhem.

[fescuerescue]

163. In a real civil war

The armed forces would be split as well.

With different military factions following different presumed political leaders.

[ffr]

44. Looking at the 2018 Russian troll farm notes, it's one of their points; threaten civil war

Along with listing the names of anyone who opposes tRump.

Link to tweet

[smirkymonkey]

46. Um, these guys and gals?

[Newest Reality]

48. You can't have a civil war...

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How would they have a civil war if nobody shows up? I mean, we are not going to be "there" wherever it is. So, it's funny in a way.

I have no fears of a civil war, but I can imagine a trumpian scenario.

First, we discount the really out of shape keyboard warriors and wannabes. Then, we take into account that there are groups out there with paramilitary training and equipment, but there numbers are no big concern in the sense of a "war".

Now, discounting this idea of a two-sided confrontation, I can imagine that they could act up since Benedict Manson is sending signals and emboldening them. If they do that, then the war they are going to have is with the government itself reacting to a terrorist-style insurrection. That would either be a quick, round 'em up and arrest them, or at the worst, some silly guerilla style standoffs in the mountains. It all depends on how coordinated and spread out those small groups are.

If or when that happens and if it is in sufficient numbers, it does give trump the capacity to declare Martial Law. So, that is my concern and I wonder if that might be his plan of action. Once he gets that, things change bigly and so, his useful idiots could bring that down on us.

So, it goes right back to Trump being the major concern and ultimate enemy of the people.

[Liberty Belle]

78. So then all the Trumpsters who show up with guns can be arrested for treason or sedition

If they even try to launch a Civil War. Works for me. Lock them all up.

[SoCalNative]

82. Wait, I'm confused

does Marshall law mean that we also can't shop at TJ Maxx and Home Goods?

(I think you mean Martial)

[Newest Reality]

84. Oops.

Sounds like it.

Thanks for pointing that out. But yeah, I guess it would mean that in that case. Bummer, huh?

[Talitha]

49. Bring it on.... Mexico will pay for it!

[underpants]

53. 😆

[denbot]

51. I am not.

I ride with anti Shitler stickers on my big rig throughout Dumbfuckistan, and woe to the asshole who has tried to give me shit about it.

[PNW-Dem]

74. Amen brother!

.

[BlueStater]

52. His hardcore base composes less than 40% of the country.

And despite all their pathetic threats, I sincerely doubt most of them are actually willing to die for the sake of Donald fucking Trump.

So, no. I'm not very concerned. However, I still wouldn't even want one person to be hurt or killed because the traitorous scumbag incites even a few of his deranged supporters to violence.

[marlakay]

143. Yea people forget that only 55%

Of the people that can vote do. So his people are 40% of 55% of the people in this country. Which is 22% and all of those are not going to fight.

[Politicub]

55. I don't fear a civil war. I do worry about the lose canons of the right who will

take out their frustrations on innocent people.

At that point, they're domestic terrorists and should be dealt with harshly.

[TlalocW]

59. I pissed off a White Supremacy group in the 90s

By pointing out in a letter to the editor that one of my senators from Oklahoma (Nickels) had wrongly blamed Ruby Ridge on Clinton. RR happened in 1992, even before Clinton was elected let alone assume the office. I got a care package in the mail from them - their newsletter (White Aryan Resistance - WAR), some flyers telling me that the most endangered species on the planet were white women, and some disturbing decals including one of a Black man on his knees with guns pointed to his head with a White woman holding a Black baby in a similar position behind him. They had written some notes in the margins of the newsletter, calling me names, etc. I laughed because I had done my senior research project in high school on the upswing in White supremacy groups and remembered them as essentially being a bunch of Bubbas who would go out to the woods to drink, shoot their empties, and fantasize about a race war, which they would jump in on the coattails of after the shooting had died down (if their side won).

That's what most of these Civil War people are. Unfortunately, there will be some loonies that will try or will shoot up another Walmart, and they will be taken down, and the vast majority of the Civil War idiots (as well as a lot of the loonies) will see that they're not going to have law enforcement on their side, and even more perplexing to them, the military won't have deserted their posts in order to surround the White House to prevent Trump from being forced to leave. They will all find an excuse not to mobilize, and then blame their fellow nutjobs for not doing so.

TlalocW

[Tipperary]

60. Oh please.

[jcgoldie]

61. Who the hell is going to start a civil war?

The wall mart shoppers? For fuck sake throw out a sack of donuts, game over.

[Thekaspervote]

89. This!!

[Thekaspervote]

91. Trumphumpers waaay to lazy to f...ng get out of their recliners turn off fux news and actually do

Something

A war would take organization, drilling, getting in shape, taking orders. Seriously you see them Doing that? Look at the pix of his base at rallies....out of shape, old, stupid. Ain’t happenin

[rownesheck]

62. Not worried.

In fact, I welcome it.

[Tipperary]

69. Really?

Dude...

[Texasgal]

64. I'm not afraid...

But it does worry me that America has come to this point. I would hope that this kind of thing really does not happen.

[Gothmog]

65. After Trump invokes the Civil War, his mockers on Twitter rush to sign up

Link to tweet

[Gore1FL]

68. My money is on the Air Force. I want the over.

I expect the open-carry squads will stand valiantly as the A-10s approach, though. One way or another, there will be less gun owners and less idiot-supporting voters.

[cwydro]

100. Right, so you're rooting for our own military to open fire on our own country.

Very cool, man.

[mr_lebowski]

102. If they take up arms against our Government in a hissy-fit over a Constitutional Process ...

Not going the way that they hope for it to, and removing a dictator-wannabe like IQ45?

They're no longer part of 'our own country' AFAIC.

Wouldn't say I'm 'rooting for it', but I will say, they pull that shit? They are most certainly 'on their own'.

[cwydro]

103. Sooo..we won worry about collateral damage or any of that silly stuff, right?

Jesus, the shit I read here is mind-blowing.

[mr_lebowski]

104. What about the collateral damage the crazy wingnuts might inflict?

Perhaps you're thinking things a bit farther down the road than I am ... but I certainly wouldn't expect that if there was a large-scale mass armed rebellion in this country against the government and fellow citizens, the armed forces would NOT attempt to put it down ... hopefully as peacefully as possible, but if the wingnuts opened fire on government forces ... I would expect similar retaliation. Hopefully (of course) with the minimum collateral damage possible.

[cwydro]

109. This is so not going to happen.

What cracks me up is the dozens of posts I’ve seen here by posters terrified to even have a Dem leaning bumper sticker on their car, a yard sign supporting a Democratic candidate, etc., etc.

I remember all the posts about wearing safety pins because “we’d recognize each other” but THEY wouldn’t know we were Democrats.

But every time one of these threads pops up about some mythical civil war - all of a sudden everyone’s an internet tough guy.

It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

[mr_lebowski]

122. Whatever, mate ... (nt)

[Gore1FL]

125. I am rooting for the U.S. Military to put down an insurrection.

If they plan to die betraying their country, I hardly think it's worth letting them take others with them. Law enforcement would probably put it down long before the military. If you have better plans on how to stop an armed mob intent on destroying the country, I am all ears.

I can do smilies too. I just don't think they add a lot to the message.

[TheRealNorth]

132. From what I understand

From stories I have seen and read, the evangelical right has a pretty tight hold on the Air Force Academy. Not sure if you could count on the Air Force siding with us.

[Gore1FL]

133. I put faith in the command structure of our armed forces. nt

[JonLP24]

149. Just remember

Shit rolls down hill. I served in the armed forces I don't have a lot of faith in chain-of-command especially if there are incompetent links in that chain.

[Gore1FL]

153. I just don't think the military is filled with traitors. nt

[JonLP24]

155. Neither do I

I was just saying I was in the military and a common phrase was 'shit rolls down hill'. I wasn't arguing that they were traitors. I shouldn't have entered this thread. Just saying if there are incompetent links in the chain the whole command structure is broken. I wasn't commenting on civil war one way or the other.

[Gore1FL]

160. 10-4. I apologize for my misunderstanding!

[JonLP24]

161. Not your fault

I shouldn't have jumped into a thread to make an irrelevant point.

[cynatnite]

71. I don't think anyone has a clue what a "civil war" would look like today...

Some MAGA nuts are likely to call it that as they load their fucking guns and possibly take aim at our Democratic leaders.

I worry about our nominees on the campaign trail and all the Dems in the house and senate.

[samnsara]

76. ..knuckle draggers can be nasty when cornered..

[LexVegas]

81. Yeah...bunch of keyboard warriors, aren't they? Talking shit on the internet. On message boards.

[Alea]

86. I'm not afraid, but it needs to be avoided at all cost.

[John_Rourke]

135. ......hmmm

I have low information relatives that are conservatives, they are truck drivers, road workers, railroaders, hic farmers etc. Dumb Walmarters for sure, but it concerns me that these bigots produce and supply our food, electricity and fuel to our enlightened urban areas.

Relatively few of the fools could stop doing what they do for a living and water and electricity could slow down enough to make life very difficult.

I am also concerned about the thousands and thousands of combat veterans our endless conservative wars have created. They aren’t woke, they are closed minded and broken.

I know these are silly thoughts, but still....

[gopiscrap]

140. welcome to DU

[Unbelievable]

88. When 2 realities

Are presented as fact, and allowed to fruit, it will have the same outcome as when matter collides with anti matter.

One of the truest quotes I've read is..
For anything to exist so must its opposite.
It works in every situation I have applied it to as long as its applied to true opposites.

In politics this usually shows itself as a spirited argument over policy. But In this case the opposite of objective reality was completly manufactured. We have allowed ideological fantasies to overtake common sense. We have allowed it to be pushed to this point by a media that doesn't have enough fuel to turn this plane around and go home. They must keep going. They have went too far though. They have to keep it going to their predetermined destination or crash and burn.
Unfortunately watching this happen for the last years and wondering when these "civil war" whispers would be starting has givin me time to figure some crap out.
Here's the metric to measure where the rw "gun nuts" who would be involved in such an event would be at this point.

AMMO.

Well guns and ammo. But mainly ammo. Go to walmart and look at .22 .223 5.56 and 9mm ammunition. Most commonly sold out ammo during the Obama (the sky is falling) years. Was impossible to find when HRC was slated to win. Especially in the beginning of Obamas presidency when they really were preparing for a gun confiscation. .22 was gone for years from the shelves of all gun stores but walmart is always a proper indicator. I've watched people line up at walmart on sunday because they knew the gun person and had insight on when the truck arrives. Sold out in minutes.
Walmart is overflowing with all those calibers right now. Go look for yourselves. Especially pay attention to .22 if you want to get down to it. It's their go to cheap end of the world choice. If .22 ammo is abundant, then they aren't preparing or scared of shit.
The right isn't pushing this civil war crap. Sure a few loud crazy people on social media but the loudest voice is usually the smallest threat in my line of work. This is coming from somewhere else and I think we are being inched closer by design.
If we fail to get the rest of America on board with what's really going on, there will be no winners.

Another great quote from a favorite song.

"What's so civil about war anyway"

[Aristus]

90. I'm not.

Their precious AR-15's wouldn't even scratch the paint of my old, trusty M1 Abrams. I would gladly re-up at age 51 to help take down those motherfuckers.

[Blue_Tires]

92. +1

After awhile sometimes you've just got to call big-talking bullies on their bluff...

[lame54]

95. Who do think owns all the AR 15's?

[ck4829]

96. Nope

[LakeArenal]

101. I remember the good ole boys' days

When they threatened to secede from the Union. That worked out well for them.

As Jon Stewart used to say: Proceeded.

[customerserviceguy]

105. There is a caracature of Trump humpers

and not all of them are carting around oxygen tanks, as is often represented here.

You may see political pressure applied at the state legislature level to secede, it will be difficult for Democratic office holders in those states to resist beyond an election cycle, and impossible for some, if not many GOP'ers at that level.

That's the way the first Civil War started, it was legislatures leading the way, not a bunch of local yokels.

Trump doesn't care about the fifty-state USA, he only cares about appearing to win. He will exert heavy pressure once he's out of office for any reason short of death or a debilitating stroke.

[VOX]

124. A "cold" civil war is going on right now. 45 is punishing states/leaders who won't kowtow.

While his zombie-followers laugh at their ranting figurehead who “owns the libs.”

Rather than acting as a public servant and protector of (ALL) citizens, which he swore an oath to do, the shit 45 has pulled smacks of a hostile occupying force— personal profiteering, unconstitutional travel bans, meetups with dictators, spreading disinformation and countless out-and-out-lies, complete ignorance of the rule of law, seeking input from foreign leaders regarding how to best punish political opponents, caging children, breaking up families, on and on it goes.

It’s all tantamount to an anti-democracy occupying regime. America (at the moment) is now unrecognizable when compared to what it was just a few short years ago.

[Ahpook]

127. Going to shoot your neighbors?

Ever had a gun pointed at you?

On edit: If at all, it will be a few bumpkins acting out. Fuck them, they are lost!

No war, please!

[wasupaloopa]

128. Can you see a bunch of mama's boys going up

against their state national guard?


You have seen how in shape and organized those folks at trump’s rallies are.

[Kablooie]

130. If it's really civil it's okay. An uncivil war would be bad.

[TheRealNorth]

131. You will think differently

When the Cliven Bundy types in the rural areas are blocking/sabotaging food and energy to the cities.

I have worked in some of these rural areas, and the power the ultra-right has over local government is truly frightening.

[Alea]

134. Yep. Most comments in this thread refer to out of control protest, not civil war.

True civil war between the right and the left would be ugly and disastrous. If it happened with a repub president they would have the military and police on their side, minus maybe 25-30% that would defect to our side. If it happened with a Democrat president, 70% of the military and police would defect to the right. Cities would be cut off and burn from within once people started running out of food. Looting, rioting, and roving gangs would destroy what was left. Cities can't feed themselves. Rural America can.

That doesn't even take in to account that most Democrats don't own guns and most repubs do, and just as most military and police are on the right, most former military and police are on the right. Their Army would out number our Army.

True Civil War would not be 1861 America North vs South. It would be Left vs Right, and it would not be a few groups of meal team 6 maga's going berserk at antifa protests. Those are just protesters getting out of hand. True Civil War would encompass most of the Country and it would suck bad.

Might be fun to talk about but it really really needs to be avoided at all cost. I hope it never happens.

[dustyscamp]

138. Something definitely will happen sometime soon, but hopefully it won't be as bad as you say

[Revanchist]

169. The military is almost 50% minority

And a great deal of us white boys that joined didn't do it because of racism.

[Alea]

170. What does racism have to do with it?

I never brought racism into my post. I served from 08-16. I was hard pressed to find Democrats in units I was with, even with minority soldiers, which I was one of. I usually had to hold my tongue and not talk politics because I was vastly out numbered by repubs in any political conversations. I'm not saying there wasn't Democrats, but there were way more republicans than Democrats, even among the minorities.

[Creature]

136. take a breather, people

Most responses to this thread are severely myopic. A civil war would end very badly for us. To believe otherwise is foolish and downright dangerous. I am a realist. The fact of the matter is that most of us do not own (or even have access to) a single firearm..by choice...unlike the rePunks. Every single rePunk that I know owns guns. Lots of them. Even a tubby redneck, who has been shooting guns from a young age, could do a lot of damage to a gathering of us if we were ever ready to get "hands on" physical. I think the posturing in this thread just makes us look stupid.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

137. So, for your first post you tell DU members they are stupid. Welcome to DU, I think. Enjoy your stay

[Creature]

148. I calls 'em as I sees 'em

I am glad you pointed that out. I have lurked here for a long time. But that post is where I had to finally speak up. After having to hold my tongue for over 20 years while on active duty...and a decade more working in a blue collar job where my liberal views were/are not shared by my colleagues, the stereotypes that have been pushed in this thread are woefully misinformed. Those fat and lazy rednecks caricatures are far from the people that I work along side. In my experience, those people are quite the opposite of what has been said so far. They are intelligent, highly motivated and very loyal. Nor are they in any way intimidated by what has being said in this thread. Who knows what they are capable of when pushed. In terms of gun ownership, satistically, we would be very hard put to even bring half of what the right could bring to this so called "civil war". Its time we face reality...not indulge in some Walter Mitty fantasy.

[Paladin]

172. Got a fondness for them, do you?

"intelligent, highly motivated and very loyal."

I'd tell you to enjoy your stay, but I see somebody beat me to it.

[gopiscrap]

139. welcome to DU

[Creature]

157. do tell

Please...enlighten me.

[scarytomcat]

141. first they would have to take over Virginia

the south has lost Virginia

[Buzz cook]

152. No fear of war

But I wouldn't discount terrorism.

[doc03]

156. Republicans are cowards. They are scared of

anyone different than them. Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans,
They are scared of change like national healthcare, socialism, communism, losing their guns, any drugs.
That's why they have to carry a gun they are scared.

[Yeehah]

158. Former Ranger here

They can bring it. Peace settlement this time around might not be so generous as 1865.

[fescuerescue]

162. It has little chance of happening. But if it happens

We are all pretty much screwed.

Civil wars don't happen the way you think they do (A bunch of angry people in a mob).

They happen because the government splits into 2 or more factions AND the military splits and different parts follow different government leaders.

It's a horrible horrible situation and millions would die and we would be back to 3rd world status.

So it's an extremely unlikely event, but one with extreme bad consequences.

[DemocraticSocialist8]

165. If MAGAts go around and start killing people, everyone will blame Trump

and he will lose even more public support than he already has, but honestly...his support is already very low. But then I think that's when Republicans will begin to publicly side with Democrats on impeachment. Trump may take the entire GOP down with him.

[bluecollar2]

167. Nope...n/t

[JHB]

171. I suspect it would be like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry...

...i.e., having worked themselves up to expect a spontaneous uprising following their lead, only to find that no such uncoordinated backup is forthcoming, leaving themselves alone and inadequately prepared to face legitimate armed forces.

[LuvNewcastle]

173. Who's to say there would only be two sides?

There might be several different factions with their own ideas on how to split up and how to govern. It could be a lot more complicated than just hillbillies v. hipsters. Boundaries would be changing often in some places and you wouldn't always know who was on your side.