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Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:08 PM Oct 2019

I hope Pelosi doesn't fall for Trump's call for an formal impeachment vote.

Not just for the obvious that he will get to delay the process with court challenges, but because he can claim that all the evidence they have collected prior to that vote is unusable.

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I hope Pelosi doesn't fall for Trump's call for an formal impeachment vote. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 OP
What? BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #1
I edited for better understanding. Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #5
Nancy Pelosi was born and raised "in politics" BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10
I have been churning the brain cells looking for the perfect metaphor Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #14
You are experiencing the first bands of the CAT 5 hurricane right now BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #20
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #21
I believe you mean "Nancy called down the lighting" Drahthaardogs Oct 2019 #30
But Nancy will fall for anything? WhiteTara Oct 2019 #23
Where did I say that Nancy will fall for anything? Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #24
Nah!! She's way too smart for that Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #2
Pelosi is not falling for anything. HubertHeaver Oct 2019 #3
First - Impeachment is NOT a criminal trial. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #4
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #6
Those clowns are so over matched captain queeg Oct 2019 #7
They are not even playing checkers. 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #15
LOL grumpyduck Oct 2019 #19
If a vote for just an inquiry is not required in the constitution Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2019 #8
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #9
The Constitution says very little about process... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #13
Works for me. Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #17
you haven't been paying attention CatWoman Oct 2019 #11
The Executive Branch cannot dictate to the Legislative Branch. Poeraria Oct 2019 #12
Very well put, and WELCOME TO DU!! Maru Kitteh Oct 2019 #32
Another Trump grandstanding stunt gratuitous Oct 2019 #16
It has worked before. It's like a snowball effect. Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #18
Its tRump politics. Pelosi won't fall for it. Joe941 Oct 2019 #22
Help Speaker Pelosi by educating the public LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #25
We do need to help educate the public. Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #27
Sounds right to me. nt Sogo Oct 2019 #28
Hope no dems or supporters fall for a formal impeachment vote empedocles Oct 2019 #26
She responded to him (see the clip below) Bleacher Creature Oct 2019 #29
Don't count on it. klook Oct 2019 #31
I was trying to figure out what... Sogo Oct 2019 #33
Oh please MFM008 Oct 2019 #34

BumRushDaShow

(129,353 posts)
10. Nancy Pelosi was born and raised "in politics"
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:22 PM
Oct 2019

with a father who was a mayor of a large east coast city (Baltimore) during a time when old-fashioned political machinations were a regular feature of every city. She knows how the game is played.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-2013-3

(and consider whether you have EVER heard her given a juvenile nickname by Drumpf )

Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
14. I have been churning the brain cells looking for the perfect metaphor
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:33 PM
Oct 2019

for the way she played the impeachment hearing. Rope a dope isn't good enough. It has to be something that shows that when it is finally unleashed, it comes down like a Cat 5 hurricane.

BumRushDaShow

(129,353 posts)
20. You are experiencing the first bands of the CAT 5 hurricane right now
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:42 PM
Oct 2019

with the complete meltdown being witnessed the past couple days - including behavior that will become additional impeachable offenses.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
23. But Nancy will fall for anything?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:21 PM
Oct 2019

Is that the point? Those heels were made for walking and that's just what they'll do.

Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
24. Where did I say that Nancy will fall for anything?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:35 PM
Oct 2019

She does have an anchor of pressure that she has to deal with because of the Democrats who are in red states. If they put demands on her, she may see things differently, than, let's say, we do.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
4. First - Impeachment is NOT a criminal trial.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:14 PM
Oct 2019

Any attempt by him or the GOP to frame it that way is whistling in the wind.

Impeachment is a political process and the House has the "sole authority" to impeach, per the Constitution. No evidence of criminal
acts is required, there are no statutes outlining the conditions of Impeachment.

No amount of demands on how the House conducts Impeachment or threats of lawsuits can change that.

captain queeg

(10,231 posts)
7. Those clowns are so over matched
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:15 PM
Oct 2019

I don’t watch FOX but I bet they’ve dropped that line about Trump playing 3D chess. The pack of them are like kids. Maybe not the Turtle; keep vigilant with that old crook

Wounded Bear

(58,693 posts)
13. The Constitution says very little about process...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:28 PM
Oct 2019

That's up to the House to "set it's own rules" per that same Constitution.

Madame Speaker knows what she's doing.

 

Poeraria

(219 posts)
12. The Executive Branch cannot dictate to the Legislative Branch.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:25 PM
Oct 2019

The Orange Dictator will have to suck it up, and get used to the idea of Co-Equal.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Another Trump grandstanding stunt
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:33 PM
Oct 2019

It's worked before, when President Obama produced the "long form" birth certificate from the State of Hawai'i to prove he was an American citizen. When Elizabeth Warren produced her DNA analysis that proved she does indeed have Native American heritage. Will it work again, someone having to jump through a meaningless hoop to "prove" something that's irrelevant or already established?

In the end, it doesn't matter, as we have seen. If someone tells Trump to go suck an egg, their refusal to jump through his hoop is seized upon by Fox and the nitwit brigade. If someone does what Trump demands they do, Trump, Fox, and the nitwit brigade just keep renewing their meaningless, stupid charge as if there was some substance to it.

I think Pelosi should tell Trump to go suck an egg, but then expand on that answer and remind everyone that this is a ploy Trump has used before (cite Obama and Warren). Lay it out there to show that this isn't a "controversy," but Trump trying once again to dodge responsibility by making something out of nothing. The allegations against Joe Biden are the same thing.

Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
18. It has worked before. It's like a snowball effect.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:37 PM
Oct 2019

If he keeps repeating the demand and FoxNews takes his side, it suddenly becomes a thing.

But I am good with the rebuttal that the House Speaker has the right to make her own rules.

LiberalFighter

(51,025 posts)
25. Help Speaker Pelosi by educating the public
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:44 PM
Oct 2019

Just as any legislation a member of Congress wants to pass does not go directly to a vote there is no reason to expect an impeachment inquiry to require a vote before reviewing the facts and evidence.

Legislation has to go thru the appropriate Committee and hearings before it is even brought up for a vote.

No different really for an impeachment. It goes thru the Committee or Committees to review whether the facts and evidence are enough to draw up Articles of Impeachment. Once those Article of Impeachment are drawn up then there is a vote.

Am I wrong?

Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
27. We do need to help educate the public.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:52 PM
Oct 2019

Because people are so ignorant about the law and procedure, people like Trump keep breaking ethical barriers.

klook

(12,164 posts)
31. Don't count on it.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:55 PM
Oct 2019

She already schooled Kevin McCarthy, letting him know a vote on proceeding with an impeachment inquiry is not required by the Constitution.

When the time comes, there will be a vote on whether to impeach. In the meantime, Republicans are grasping for anything they can construe as "Dems in disarray."

Sogo

(4,992 posts)
33. I was trying to figure out what...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 02:01 PM
Oct 2019

..... such a vote would accomplish for Trump. The only thing I could come up with was that if it’s taken before all the evidence is out, it would go down strictly along party lines. Then he would start squawking, “See, it’s a total partisan witch hunt,” and then they would all run with that. It’s simply a maneuver to belittle the Democrats.

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