Let Me See If I Understand This Turkish Thing Correctly....

[global1]

Trump and Erdogan talk. Trump abandons the Kurds in Syria who are U.S. allies that were fighting ISIS with U.S. supplied arms so Turkey can attack the Kurds and drive them from their territory and re-populate it with arabs. And now the Turkish forces may be attacking U.S. bases in the area where they know they exist because the Turks are in contact with the Pentagon that is telling them where these bases are so they don't attack them.

This was all Trump's brainchild because he didn't want endless wars. All the while an impeachment inquiry is being conducted to remove Trump from office because he's extorting the Ukraine president in order to get info on a potential opponent he may be facing in an upcoming election. And now Trump is looking to negotiate a settlement between the Turks and the Kurds to end the fighting before -hopefully- no Americans get killed in the process - while Trump is campaigning around the country to defeat the Dems by calling them traitors and using racial talk because he feels he's being treated badly by the Dems. All the while his so-called lawyer that he's not sure is still representing him is being criminally investigated because he's running around the world chasing down conspiracy theories about a son of the candidate he thinks Trump will face in the election and working with people that have just got arrested for funnelling foreign money to Trump's campaign.

I'm not sure I've got any of this story straight because Trump claims that the truth is fake and makes up stories and lies and calls them truths. Oh - and he wants to put a man on the moon by the way.

And this is only a small part of the story.

No wonder I can't get back to sleep and I'm posting this insane crap here on DU.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dennis Donovan]

1. For someone who claims to not want "endless wars", he's more than happy to...

...prop up SA with our servicemembers.

[yardwork]

7. Yes.

[calimary]

12. And he's going to get a lot of them killed.

Look what’s happening in Syria with our allies who already put THEIR lives on the line to fight with us. That’s going to spread all vet the world wherever we have forces stationed.

They won’t feel their so-called commander-in-chief has their backs - especially if he’s got a damned hotel in the area. We all know what he’s more concerned about: his own damned business interests.

[gordianot]

2. I would give an addition that have not heard discussed much.

He wants ISIS fighters returned to country of origin. Not everyone has a base located out of country to lock up and avoid your local legal due process. So in effect he wants to dump unceremoniously terrorist back in the country of origin without discussion or consideration. Yet he runs concentration camps for refugees fleeing terror in their country. It makes my head hurt.

[Perseus]

5. He actually said that ISIS fighters and migrants will go to Europe

The way he said it sounded like retaliation for the lack of love Europe has given him. What a piece of trash trump is...

[Chipper Chat]

3. He may as well call the two Sergeys back to the oVal oFUice

And tell them to pick out their spot IN the oval office for their new desks.

[sarge43]

4. You forgot to mention that US troops have been deployed to Saudi Arabia

So that the US isn't involved in the Middle East ...

It's like being trapped in a rave club.

[yardwork]

6. One correction - this has nothing to do with Trump not wanting endless wars.

I know that's what he said, and it's true to the extent that Trump doesn't seem to make money from wars (that's the Bush crime family business), but Trump's motivations aren't to end war.

Trump makes money from hotels, construction, and apparently human trafficking. It's easy to see how betraying the Kurds in service to Turkey and Russia fits Trump's needs. Where will the Kurdish refugees go? I think they'll be trafficked.

[sop]

9. And these were just last week's revelations, there's more to come.

[SergeStorms]

10. Don't forget Trump's other lawyer.....

the Attorney General of the United States, is globetrotting, getting TV anchors "retired" because the propaganda on said TV station isn't up to the low standards Trump sets for himself, and he's also gathering "evidence" that the Mueller investigation was a "Deep State" hoax. Bill Barr wouldn't want to be left out of this intoxicating stew of corruption!

[oldsoftie]

11. Turn off the news & watch some comedies. You'll get some sleep.

You cant stay focused on all the bullshit all the time.
I took a whole 2 weeks off news & DU. It was wonderful.
At some point, yeah, you have to get caught up. But every day will drive you nuts.

[RainCaster]

13. Wise words

I stopped reading Farcebook for that reason

[oldsoftie]

16. OMG so many false memes!!!!!

[C_U_L8R]

14. It's hard to make sense of it because it's pure nonsense

Trump is a complete fuckup and his scattershot incompetence is clearly there for all to see.

[Farmer-Rick]

15. For those who think what Trump is doing is simply supporting an allie

We have supported the Kurds since the 1970s. What is really happening, is one US ally attacking another US ally. This would not be happening if the fat orange traitor had not got into the middle of it. And also, by allowing Turkey to massacre one of our allies, it really helps out little man Putin. And we all know who Trump loves almost as much as his own interests in Turkey. It's his master Putin.

There are many possible outcomes besides the 2 that Trump traitors believe in. It's not a simple choice of moving our military out of the way or leave them to watch the slaughter. How about a well planned meeting to address the issues of both the Kurds and Turkey? How about we support both our allies and attempt a peace treaty? How about we acknowledge Turkey has an authoritarian and cruel dictator in charge and wait out his demise. Why not put as much pressure on their leader as we do on the Venezulian leader?

I served in the military and am no chicken hawk. I've supported my country in time of war. So, all those real chicken hawks who think giving up and watching allies get slaughtered is what the US military is all about are out of their minds. Only a coward like Traitor Trump could have screwed this up so badly.

So you think his bone spurs have healed yet?

A coward leading the brave into surrender.

It was bound to happen the moment Putin put the coward into office with the votes of some of the stupidest Americans.

[sharedvalues]

19. Putin put him in office with help of Rupert Murdoch

And the rest of the rightwing media too.

Who lie to the stupidest Americans.

[erpowers]

17. Not So Sure This Is About Endless Wars

It is very possible that this is happening because Donald Trump has at least one hotel in Turkey. It is possible Democrats need to demand a printout of the transcript of the conversation between Trump and Erdogan. What was said on both sides of that conversation?

[sharedvalues]

18. Also: it's Putin's plan (pushing Trump on their private calls)

Putin’s plan has been to get the US out of Syria and split NATO and help Iran.

This does all three things. Now the rest of NATO is angry at Turkey. And Iran will build their positions in Syria. Iran is an ally of Russia.

This is ultimately a story about oligarchy and Russia. This IS the Russia story.

Remember Trump and Putin have regular private calls. Also, Putin’s job in the KGB was to be a handler for agents. He’s ezperienced in how to push and exploit traitors to get them to do Russia’s bidding.

Ultimately, this whole situation is the fault of Republicans and their leadership—the rightwing billionaires that fund and control the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and run Fox and the rest of the lying rightwing media.

This is the fault of Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers. Until they face consequences, we will not fix America.

[global1]

21. The American Electorate Needs To Take What You Posted Into Consideration When.....

they vote in Nov 2020 and make the Repugs feel the pain of their undying support of Trump. We need to depose as many of the Repugs that are running for office in Nov 2020 and take back the WH, the Senate and maintain and grab more seats in the House.

We have to remember that it was compliments of the Repugs that we got Trump as a Rupug primary candidate in the first place. That they embraced him and supported him during the election of 2016 in order to help him get into the WH. And that they continually circle the wagons for him whenever he pushes the envelope of our Constitution and obstructs justice and commits crimes.

This 2020 election needs to be not only about voting out Trump - but also - voting out the Repugs.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. Two points:

1) Ten years ago if you sent this script to a publisher they would have dropped it in the circular file.

2) That said, when the movie comes out that portrays all the fine points you put in your wonderfully composed synopsis, I think we should have DU movie night and make it a meet and greet event.

[paleotn]

22. The endless wars meme is another propaganda slogan

I think there is only one frame in which to view IQ45 clearly. A frame that gets down to what he's really up to. IQ45 only want's whatever is good for IQ45. And right then, because he can't focus on anything past lunch. He will do and say whatever is good for him at that moment, everything and everyone else be damned. Run everything he says and does in given situations through that algorithm and most of his actions become clear and sensical in a strange, short sighted, uber selfish sort of way. Pure evil, yes, but that's the shit stain we're dealing with.