Question for all those who are confident Trump is a goner.

[Garrett78]

Do you think he'll resign?

Do you think he'll actually get convicted by the Senate?

Or do you just think he'll lose his re-election bid?

[MineralMan]

1. Any of those three options will do.

I think he would resign before being convicted by the Senate, but I think he will be removed by losing the 2020 election, in the end.

That's just my opinion, though.

[Brother Buzz]

2. Andy Borowitz thinks he'll fold up his tent and beat it out of town in the middle of the night...

and land in one of the former Soviet republics.

[Garrett78]

3. We shouldn't, though, underestimate the damage he's done.

This administration has made a crazy number of judicial appointments, including 2 Supremes.

His immigration policy has ruined many lives.

Our standing in the world is much worse, and it wasn't great to begin with.

Environmental policy is a disaster.

And so on. Just as we're still suffering from Reagan policies, Trump's actions will linger for many years to come.

[CrispyQ]

10. I love Borowitz, but I disagree with him here.

The Con has already done so much damage we will be decades dealing with the destruction. The rift between Americans has never been greater in my lifetime. Even in the 60s the right still had their wits about them. They hadn't embraced ignorance yet. Now we have a bunch of sponge brains soaking up hours of Rush Limbaugh & his ilk for the past 35+ years. Trump & Pompeo have recently likened democrats to being anti-Americans. The right truly believes that this is their country - that only white, Christian Americans are true Americans. They'll go after the Muslims, & then the Blacks & Hispanics, & the LGBT community, & eventually the white libs. That's who they really want to own. The whites, like them, who they feel have betrayed our "race" by believing that all people are created equal. How do we come back from this as a country? I have no idea. I will never look at Trump supporters the same. Never. I may have to interact with them at social & family events, but they will be like the Mole character in Austin Powers. There is an indelible mark on their face that I will want to comment on but will have to bite my tongue not to.

[Brother Buzz]

12. Understand, that was from Nov 27, 2017

[Garrett78]

15. I hadn't realized that. I suspect he feels a bit differently now.

[PJMcK]

4. Yes, yes or yes

Any one of those scenarios is fine by me.

The problem is what comes after Trump is gone. What do we do about all the supporters and Senators & Conresspeople who have continued to support the traitorous bastard?

Even without Trump, we face a difficult future.

[Garrett78]

7. But which do you think will happen? As for post-Trump, absolutely...Trump is just a symptom.

It'll be interesting to see if the Republican electorate will accept another dog whistler or if they'll demand that future nominees be as blatantly bigoted as Trump has been. I worry that a much smarter version of Trump will come along.

[BootinUp]

5. Not that any of the 3 can't happen, most likely

It will be a withdrawal from the race. Not seeking re-election.

[Garrett78]

9. I think resignation will only happen if it becomes evident that the Senate will convict.

And Dems will have to turn up a lot more extremely damning evidence for us to reach that point. Republicans in Congress and the Senate know that turning on Trump will be seen by Cult 45 as a major betrayal.

[BootinUp]

25. things always change and in politics it can

Happen quickly. It is my opinion that such a change has already started and is inevitable. Not every Trump supporter is a hard supporter.

[dalton99a]

6. Not anytime soon. He will use and abuse his office as much as he can, for as long as he can.

He doesn't give a damn about this country or the law or his legacy

[cwydro]

8. I'm not confident he's a goner.

Not yet.

[Garrett78]

13. Someone with a "strongly disapprove" number almost double his "strongly approve" number...

...shouldn't have any chance at re-election, but the Republican Party is unbelievably corrupt. We'll see voter suppression like never before. Not to mention foreign interference.

And I worry, too, that we don't yet have nearly enough to come anywhere close to a Senate conviction.

[CrispyQ]

11. I would like to know where their optimism comes from, too.

For you:



All that's missing is the narcissist - an empty shot glass with an orange bouffant & the contents spilled by its side.

[Garrett78]

14. Nice graphic. Utopist and surrealist especially clever.

[secondwind]

16. I still have hope that there are enough patriots

in the Senate who will do what is best for the country and the American people.

[Garrett78]

17. You have hope for 20 Republican Senators?

Maybe if Schiff and Co. turn up audio of Trump begging Putin to not release the videos of him engaged in sex crimes in exchange for doing Lord Vladimir's bidding. Even that might not flip 20 Republican Senators.

[sarisataka]

18. Or completes his second term...

It must be included as a possibility

[Garrett78]

19. But I'm directing the questions at those who are confident he'll be gone sooner rather than later.

There have been many posts and threads indicating he'll be gone soon, so I was curious to know how those folks see that playing out.

[sarisataka]

21. This was posted on Sept 24 this year.

Yes, this is it..end of show, no turning back. I agree totally.It's all over, Trump has lost.

Trump will resign in the next week or be impeached by the House of Representatives in the next 2 weeks. You heard it here.

As you may notice, 2 weeks has come and gone. Predictions of him quitting have been since at least mid 2015 and have continued right into this thread. All of them have been based solely on wishful thinking and distract us from the one way We can remove him, which is the 2016 election.

[Garrett78]

22. I think a 2020 defeat is the most likely avenue, as well.

And given how corrupt the Republican Party is, that's not guaranteed, even though someone with a "strongly disapprove" number almost double his "strongly approve" number (which is in the 20s) shouldn't have any chance at re-election, even with the electoral college.

[sarisataka]

24. We need to get those

Folks to vote, if that happens no amount of shenanigans will be able to steal the election.

Unfortunately there are many who "disapprove" or even "strongly disapprove", but not so strongly that they will cast a vote to show their disapproval.

Give the devil his due- Republicans get their "strongly approve" to show up and vote.

[BootinUp]

20. Damn your frightening logic. Lol nt

[peggysue2]

23. The sooner the better

The damage he's doing is serious to both our short-term and long-term security. Don't care if he's dragged out by that creature affixed to his head, resigns, is impeached and miraculously convicted, he needs to go, toute suite. That being said, if this drags out then he must be defeated in 2020, a resounding repudiation at the ballot box.

The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is the polls indicating that the rest of the country has had it, over 50% saying he needs to go. Those polls continue to rise then the GOP will start walking their feeble defense back in an effort to save themselves.

[Garrett78]

26. Only if the polls in their districts/states indicate the same thing.

[peggysue2]

27. Sadly, that's true Garrett

[Garrett78]

28. There are all sorts of things favored by the vast majority (65+ percent) of the US population...

...that Republicans in Congress wouldn't even consider supporting.

The elephant in the room is our tyranny of the minority system. The reasons why we need major structural reform are precisely why bringing about said reform is nearly impossible. It's a depressing paradox.

[sop]

29. Trump may not leave even after he loses the 2020 election

I suspect he'll claim the vote was rigged, formally challenge state election results and file a variety of suits. I can't see him conceding on election night. Trump intends to hang onto power at any cost.

[Garrett78]

30. That's certainly a possibility, though I like to think it won't work. He could also...

...start a war, or rile up his base to the point of enough violence to declare a national emergency.

[Turin_C3PO]

31. I don't think

his base would rise up in violence. The vast majority of them are cowards. Sure there may be a few instances but it won’t be on a grand scale.

[Garrett78]

35. Some have already been incited to violence, but I agree that the vast majority wouldn't be.

That wouldn't necessarily keep Trump from declaring a national emergency.

Nonetheless, this is not much of a concern for me. I don't think such tactics would work. My bigger concern is over election fraud (voter suppression, foreign interference, etc.) and a pitiful media.

I don't think not resorting to violence is a sign of cowardice, by the way. But I think most of Trump's supporters have just enough sense to not do that which could get them put in prison.

[Turin_C3PO]

37. True.

I didn’t mean to imply that resorting to violence would be bravery, I just meant that most Trump supporters, like all of us, are too attached to their creature comforts to rise up in rebellion.

I agree with the rest of your post. I do fear Republican cheating which is why Dems need to show up to the polls in record numbers.

[Turin_C3PO]

32. I think he'll lose the election.

Unless something truly heinous emerges, I don’t think the GOP-controlled Senate would convict him.

[Garrett78]

34. That's my prediction, as well. But Trump and the GOP are so damn corrupt...

...that winning in 2020 is far from guaranteed. Trump has every incentive to remain in office.

Voter suppression and foreign interference will be at play again, probably to an even greater/more desperate extent. The media, as a whole, won't help matters either.

What won't be a factor this time around is a nominee that has been the target of vicious attacks for 25 years. And I don't think overconfidence will be much of a factor this time--I would bet millions of those who didn't vote or voted 3rd party or voted for Trump (just for the hell of it) only did so because they were sure Clinton was going to win in a landslide.

Boosting turnout among POC, youth and white suburban women is key. Hundreds of thousands of Obama voters across key battleground states simply didn't vote in 2016. Hillary Hate was/is strong.

I'm hoping a Republican such as Kasich runs a mildly successful 3rd party candidacy and hurts Trump just enough in a few key states.

[NCLefty]

33. There's STILL no sign GOP will dump their ciminal so the election seems most likely.

[Garrett78]

36. It'll take a lot more than the Ukraine call to get a conviction.

I maintain that we would need audio of Trump groveling to Putin (calling him Lord Vladimir or Vlady-poo) in a clear instance of quid pro quo -- "I'll do your bidding for as long as I'm in office just as long as you don't release the multiple videos of me committing sex crimes." -- in order to come even close to persuading 20 Republican Senators to convict.

The GOP is ethically bankrupt and has been for a long, long time.