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Why the fuck does the President have to accept the nomination at a stadium? (Original Post) cali Sep 2012 OP
Why not? FDR and JFK did, too. WI_DEM Sep 2012 #1
because it's an unnecessary risk. cali Sep 2012 #3
What? He should do it in Cheney's bunker? Scuba Sep 2012 #14
... gateley Sep 2012 #30
You're right. It is risky. But the payoff could be huge. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2012 #18
Bullshit--75k of good Democrats, as far as the eye can see. You should come!!! nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #65
He'll be making a big fat visual splash. I like it! nt babylonsister Sep 2012 #2
Because he's actually hugely popular? Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #4
uh, they are having to bus people in. cali Sep 2012 #7
Who's paying for it? The DNC? Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #12
Im going from South Carolina Corgigal Sep 2012 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author MzShellG Sep 2012 #124
There's a bus? MzShellG Sep 2012 #125
plenty of them Corgigal Sep 2012 #134
Thanks for the info.... MzShellG Sep 2012 #162
This is bullshit about trying to fill a stadium BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #19
Not DU RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #22
!!! BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #32
+1 JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #34
Or the forever critical no matter what lunatica Sep 2012 #68
or the forever repeating gop memes, and giving nice material for FR to post. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #97
+1! uponit7771 Sep 2012 #109
More like forever hopeful Floyd_Gondolli Sep 2012 #71
+1 Coexist Sep 2012 #62
"Does THIS look like a "lack of enthusiasm"?" Only if you're invested in disseminating that..... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #86
Maybe they are watching Faux and they rbrnmw Sep 2012 #117
Because many DU'ers have been hating the fuck out of Barack Obama for nearly eight years. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #128
Thank you. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #132
Discriminating against Hindus, eh? aquart Sep 2012 #144
oh please. alphafemale Sep 2012 #26
Seriously. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #113
Wow! That doesn't match my experience Kookaburra Sep 2012 #29
All big stadiums routinely use public transportation to get the seats filled bettyellen Sep 2012 #37
Agree. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #72
Excellent point bettyellen. Could you imagine the traffic nightmare that would cause? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #89
Exactly. I've gone to concerts and events at stadiums NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #136
So what? if they bus college students in from NC it's better than other states WI_DEM Sep 2012 #57
Well, of course I'm taking a bus!!! I'm coming from Philly to see my President, and I msanthrope Sep 2012 #64
No, it's not that they are "having" to. MineralMan Sep 2012 #80
That sounds a lot like Republican spin... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #83
Car Pooling Is A Bad Thing? otohara Sep 2012 #90
Plus "having" to bus sounds like people don't want to attend. Lex Sep 2012 #99
FAIL. When President Clinton spoke in California years ago, they offered buses, too. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #96
GETTING TO ATTEND is a big deal. Using buses just makes sense! People here are clamoring to attend Lex Sep 2012 #98
Why are you repeating right-wing talking points? toddwv Sep 2012 #110
Are they loading the busses at gunpoint or are they willing participants..hell beats walking! angstlessk Sep 2012 #121
At the RNC in Tampa the Republicans were bussing people all over the damn place. apnu Sep 2012 #157
You're outraged ("Why the fuck") about this? ProSense Sep 2012 #5
no, I'm not outraged. I'm just perplexed and I like the word fuck a lot. cali Sep 2012 #10
... gateley Sep 2012 #35
LOL and OMG and some kind of reward for honesty! JohnnyLib2 Sep 2012 #56
because it shows how popular he his compared to Mittwit. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #6
Simple. Ego. nt greytdemocrat Sep 2012 #8
same with FDR and JFK when they did it, too. WI_DEM Sep 2012 #58
Ego?? are you serious? n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #101
More spectacular that way Franker65 Sep 2012 #9
Why Charlotte, for that matter? TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #11
Because Buxton doesn't have enough hotel rooms taterguy Sep 2012 #17
They have plenty, as far as I'm concerned. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #51
Do you know how many hotel rooms Buxton has? taterguy Sep 2012 #88
Not many. Buxton is a delightful place. Trust me on that. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #120
Delightful place but all the hotel rooms smell like fish taterguy Sep 2012 #147
*sigh* TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #148
Cali is right Proud liberal 80 Sep 2012 #13
Even if that were to happen, I doubt it would lose Obama any votes. gateley Sep 2012 #42
These are the kind of inane issues that folks like Drudge tend to focus on Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #59
He'll fill it. Seriously.. he has no less support than last election, maybe more. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #103
Its true, but that stadium will be filled. O is just that popular. apnu Sep 2012 #158
Because it's Bank of America Stadium? Fumesucker Sep 2012 #15
Because politics are all about showmanship. Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #16
More people want to see him RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #20
Opportunity For Non Delegates - I Attended in 08 - AWESOME Experience otohara Sep 2012 #84
does it matter? spanone Sep 2012 #21
Cobbled Convention BlueinOhio Sep 2012 #23
Yahoo is a piece of shit news organization, that is trying to be the next Fox. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #104
Because the world sees this liberal N proud Sep 2012 #24
Oh the horror!1! WTF1! JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #36
Versus this BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #41
Wow, look at all those invisible people in the empty chairs! Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #70
... Chorophyll Sep 2012 #114
I see it as proof that we really ALL can be President. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #138
They Wanted A Place That Could Hold The Large PUBLIC Crowd They Expect To Attend bigtree Sep 2012 #25
Your constant hand wringing is getting annoying. randome Sep 2012 #27
. bigtree Sep 2012 #28
This poster has been doing this schtick for half a decade.... Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #44
My goodness he wants as many people who want to attend be able to attend. I see nothing wrong with southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #31
To give you something else to cry about. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #33
Because it's awesome. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #38
This is the correct answer Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #45
Don't tell her about the Biden mosh pit!!!! nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #66
Wow, are you full of odd concerns! Constant! Logical Sep 2012 #39
Because so many people want to see him - vademocrat Sep 2012 #43
Why the fuck does Cali have to concern troll everything cool and neat in the world? Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #46
I agree, it is getting really annoying. Logical Sep 2012 #53
I think its something they call 'flame bait' nolabels Sep 2012 #143
Because inclusiveness kicks fucking ass! KurtNYC Sep 2012 #47
He doesn't have to, but he can and if you can, you should...Obama can and should. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #48
Romney couldn't fill a stadium Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #49
He has an endless supply of empty chairs, though. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #52
You mean President Obamas. n/t mattclearing Sep 2012 #69
Because voting for Obama has to be presented as a Mainstream option cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #50
OMG....of all the issues going on in this world... Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #54
Which is worse? So called "hand-wringing" or condescending scolding about there being Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #141
hand-wringing Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #152
I say scolding...but that's just me. Sure, there are some here who get a bit Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #160
Hell, why not a local bar. He could hand out free White House beer - it would be a first AND a blast HopeHoops Sep 2012 #55
It's a show for television. That was the show the president and his campaign decided on. RB TexLa Sep 2012 #60
I'll let you know how it will be....'cause I'M GOING!!!!!!! nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #61
you lucky duck. Whisp Sep 2012 #87
Because the Panthers don't have a game that night? RagAss Sep 2012 #63
Why not? blue neen Sep 2012 #67
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #73
..... cali Sep 2012 #78
woof woof... woof! Ellipsis Sep 2012 #107
Definitely an antisocial type. Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #122
"We see our role as essentially defensive in nature" Ellipsis Sep 2012 #123
Because enthusiastic reactions from a HUGE crowd are the best possible campaign ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #74
Conventions are prestaged commercials designed to draw a large audience and showcase the products. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #75
Because a lot of people would like to be there jberryhill Sep 2012 #76
haha! Whisp Sep 2012 #92
Perfect! Lex Sep 2012 #100
He should go for it amuse bouche Sep 2012 #77
There will be no trouble filling the seats, MineralMan Sep 2012 #79
Because he CAN. n/t Avalux Sep 2012 #81
Stephanie Cutter said today that they're watching the weather. If it's gonna rain, they jenmito Sep 2012 #82
Because it will make the Rmoney convention look like a small side of the road KKK gathering. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #85
I can see this post is a real hit cali Sep 2012 #91
Glad we could all be here for your amusement. nobodyspecial Sep 2012 #95
Or at least it rhymes with "hit" Lex Sep 2012 #102
then why do you post this stuff? Sounds pretty antagonistic, to me. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #106
At this point you are just trying to irritate people. We understand. n-t Logical Sep 2012 #129
Mission accomplished? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #161
Personally, I wouldn't have taken the weather risk. However, if there is no bad weather, the gamble ladjf Sep 2012 #93
Need to check the address bar.. Yep.. this is STILL DU. Was concerned there for a minute. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #94
Nobody goes to Obama speeches anymore, it's too crowded. CreekDog Sep 2012 #105
LOL! lunatica Sep 2012 #115
Just watched Obama's inauguration where there were a million people present riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #130
WTH is up with you??? kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #108
Because it annoys you tnvoter Sep 2012 #111
Stonehenge was booked? n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #112
And why does this caviar have to be so damn salty?! Chorophyll Sep 2012 #116
so more people can be there barbtries Sep 2012 #118
Your concern is noted. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #119
he doesn't *have* to, but he can, and it will likely be an amazing event fishwax Sep 2012 #126
Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! rbrnmw Sep 2012 #127
Among other reasons he is using it as part of a massive organizing campaign to GOTV in NC. grantcart Sep 2012 #131
Because it's part of his conspiracy to take over the country, one stadium at a time. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #133
For the VISUALS & I think it's TERRIFIC! nt Raine Sep 2012 #135
Why the fuck does the President have to accept the nomination in person? NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #137
Because he CAN and WE INCLUDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. The ReSCUMlicans don't. RBInMaine Sep 2012 #139
Half agree Cali. I don't want the story to be more about the stadium and "bussing people in" than Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #140
man, this is an ugly thread. instead of debating the pros and cons of the use of a stadium, Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #142
Why are you accepting "busing people in" as being a negative? BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #145
No, didn't mean to imply that. I think it's great...the more the better. But, I am realistic Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #149
Everything out of a rethug's mouth is a lie or spin BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #150
I want the big finish MrScorpio Sep 2012 #146
Dear friends and, well, not so much friends. cali Sep 2012 #151
It will fill, don't worry. apnu Sep 2012 #159
Because a huge-ass number of people want to see it treestar Sep 2012 #153
Because people want to be there, not like Romney! B Calm Sep 2012 #154
to crush Romney with the spectacle of President Obama's vast support librechik Sep 2012 #155
Because it shows everybody in the world that O is so popular he can fill a gigantic stadium. apnu Sep 2012 #156

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,846 posts)
18. You're right. It is risky. But the payoff could be huge.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:31 AM
Sep 2012

The meme on Romney (the one the media WILL talk about) is 'why doesn't anyone like this guy?' The contrast to Obama in a packed stadium will be quite tasty.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
4. Because he's actually hugely popular?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:16 AM
Sep 2012

Because he doesn't have to truck in people of color or celebrities or troops-held-under-duress to pretend that people actually give a shit about him and what he has to say?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. uh, they are having to bus people in.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:18 AM
Sep 2012

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina.

Their goal: help fill a 74,000-seat outdoor stadium to capacity when President Barack Obama accepts the Democratic nomination Thursday night.

Anything short of a full house on the final night of the Democratic Party's national convention will be instant fodder for Republicans eager to use empty seats as symbols of waning voter enthusiasm for Obama.

Democrats have been fretting for months over whether the president can draw a capacity crowd at Bank of America Stadium. Polls show voter enthusiasm is down, as are Obama's crowds for his battleground state campaign rallies.

<snip>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120903/us-cvn-obama-drawing-a-crowd/

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
12. Who's paying for it? The DNC?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:25 AM
Sep 2012

Anyway, I'm sure all that bus fare will be cheaper than what the Republicans spent on Clint Eastwood to come in and torpedo their convention.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
40. Im going from South Carolina
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:11 AM
Sep 2012

just so you know, it depends where you're leaving from. Some of the buses are free. I spend 25 bucks for a round trip because it was closer to my house.

Response to Corgigal (Reply #40)

MzShellG

(1,047 posts)
125. There's a bus?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:40 PM
Sep 2012

I had know idea. Had I know this, I couldve gone. I'm only a little over an hour away.



On edit: Grammar error.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
134. plenty of them
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:10 AM
Sep 2012

If you got your credentials done, call your local Democratic headquarters and look into it.

MzShellG

(1,047 posts)
162. Thanks for the info....
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 10:06 PM
Sep 2012

But it's too late since I never picked up my credentials. I didn't know about the buses. Guess I shouldve called our local OFA office.

BumRushDaShow

(129,349 posts)
19. This is bullshit about trying to fill a stadium
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:33 AM
Sep 2012

Why is DU embracing the "lack of enthusiasm" meme?

Look at this video from just this past Saturday night at a "Made in America" concert featuring Jay Z here in Philadelphia with some 50,000 people on the Ben Franklin Parkway (the President introduced Jay Z via a video message) -



Does THIS look like a "lack of enthusiasm"?

"Bussing in" people saves from putting tens of thousands of cars on the road who would otherwise have to try to find somewhere to park and allows groups to bring in supporters and grassroots volunteers to see the President in a historic speech. When they had the Million Man March in DC 17 years ago, did they not "bus people in"? When they had the March on Washington in 1963, did they not "bus people in"? For God's sake.

It's a distinct and purposeful pattern of denigration being put out there that is not coincidental... but fortunately many on DU recognize it for what it is.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
97. or the forever repeating gop memes, and giving nice material for FR to post.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

"oh look, they're freaking about because he can't fill a stadium" And this meme that the President isn't popular anymore is another one of them. I'm looking at overflow crowds his week, and wondering why the OP keeps posting shit from the "the hill" which is hardly a dem-friendly site.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,237 posts)
86. "Does THIS look like a "lack of enthusiasm"?" Only if you're invested in disseminating that.....
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:10 PM
Sep 2012

narrative. And the o.p.'s been employing that strategy for awhile now.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
117. Maybe they are watching Faux and they
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 03:57 PM
Sep 2012

are superimposing their "reporters" on an old Glenn Beck rally that only 5 people showed up to and telling them it's Charlotte but from what I can see on MSNBC that crowd is Huge and pumped up I wish I was there

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
128. Because many DU'ers have been hating the fuck out of Barack Obama for nearly eight years.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
Sep 2012

Even more so since he became president. If there's anything DU hates more than a fucked-up Republican, it's a successful Democrat.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
132. Thank you.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:39 PM
Sep 2012

Of course I'm seeing that Republicans are twisting and projecting this, saying he can't fill a convention hall. Apparently Obama is also busing in thousands of Muslims.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
26. oh please.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:47 AM
Sep 2012

Giving a ride to some college kids eager to see the president is not the same thing as HAVING to bus people in.

You make it sound like its North Korea and attendance is mandated at gun point or something.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
113. Seriously.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:45 PM
Sep 2012

I'm not a Pollyanna by any stretch of the imagination, but it's like you're not allowed to ever show a little enthusiasm around here.

Kookaburra

(2,649 posts)
29. Wow! That doesn't match my experience
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:52 AM
Sep 2012

I stood in line for many hours to get tickets for the acceptance speech, and the line was ridiculously long and never got any shorter (and they did run out of tickets before they ran out of people). I know that there are buses being chartered to bring in students from universities around the state, but I don't believe it's ONLY a strategic move to fill the stadium.
I don't have the numbers and statistics, but I know what I've observed and what I've heard going out and talking to people and just from that I truly do not think he would have any problem filling the stadium.
This is only my experience.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. All big stadiums routinely use public transportation to get the seats filled
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:08 AM
Sep 2012

Would you rather he do this at a bucolic fair ground and have everyone drive?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
72. Agree.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:25 AM
Sep 2012

I live near Wrigley Filed in Chicago.

I guess the Cubs have to "bus them in" because I see buses parked all up and down the roads during Cubs games.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,237 posts)
89. Excellent point bettyellen. Could you imagine the traffic nightmare that would cause?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:14 PM
Sep 2012

Not to mention the environmental implications.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
136. Exactly. I've gone to concerts and events at stadiums
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:28 AM
Sep 2012

that had free or cheap shuttle buses running to bring people who couldn't drive or get there on their own.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
57. So what? if they bus college students in from NC it's better than other states
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
Sep 2012

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. And, of course, Obama isnt' drawing the crowds he had in 2008 when he was the new kid on the block and everybody was curious about him. But he sure is drawing more than Romney.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
64. Well, of course I'm taking a bus!!! I'm coming from Philly to see my President, and I
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:03 AM
Sep 2012

intend to have a great time with my fellow campaign workers.

GET ON THE BUS!!!!

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
80. No, it's not that they are "having" to.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:11 PM
Sep 2012

Buses are the most efficient way for people to get there. Uses less fuel, and makes it possible for people who want to attend to attend. You're just being a Debbie Downer again. Why are you doing that?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
90. Car Pooling Is A Bad Thing?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:14 PM
Sep 2012

Going to the 08 speech in Denver was an amazing experience. The security was no big deal.
People were still trying to get tickets the day of.

The more people that are able to go is a good thing.
He promised access and this is access for a once in a lifetime experience for us non-delegates.




progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
96. FAIL. When President Clinton spoke in California years ago, they offered buses, too.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:43 PM
Sep 2012

They did it because it's more convenient than having thousands of cars. They do it because it's a way to include people who would otherwise be unable to get there on their own. Seriously.. calm down.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
98. GETTING TO ATTEND is a big deal. Using buses just makes sense! People here are clamoring to attend
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

to see the President's speech.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
110. Why are you repeating right-wing talking points?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

Do you think this is the first time that people have rode buses to go to a major event or something?

Here's some other "stories" by the right-wing hack who wrote that one:
http://newsbusters.org/people/julie-pace

So, I ask again. Why are you repeating the right-wing spin here?


angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
121. Are they loading the busses at gunpoint or are they willing participants..hell beats walking!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

So I send a bus to X college and for a free ride you get to go to the DNC...not exactly by duress is it?

apnu

(8,758 posts)
157. At the RNC in Tampa the Republicans were bussing people all over the damn place.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:22 PM
Sep 2012

There was even a flap about delegates stranded 1/2 hour drive from the convention center because they forgot to send a bus out there. Bussing people around during conventions is common. I've been to loads of industry conventions (I'm an IT guy) and always had free bussing to get around.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
35. ...
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:07 AM
Sep 2012


I don't think it's much more risky than other venues though, cali, and it is a very special occasion. Do it big -- rock the Casbah!

taterguy

(29,582 posts)
88. Do you know how many hotel rooms Buxton has?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:13 PM
Sep 2012

The answer will probably depend on what happens with the next big storm.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
120. Not many. Buxton is a delightful place. Trust me on that.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:31 PM
Sep 2012

One room is all I needed when I stayed there..................

taterguy

(29,582 posts)
147. Delightful place but all the hotel rooms smell like fish
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:29 AM
Sep 2012

Unless you get one previously occupied by a surfer and then it smells even worse.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
59. These are the kind of inane issues that folks like Drudge tend to focus on
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

I haven't been to his site in a while, but I'll bet you anything that he is focused on this issue. It's similar to the teleprompter attack against Obama. The right wing echo chamber is filled with this kind of inane stuff.

You're right. At the end of the day it's all meaningless. I really don't think anyone will switch their vote from Obama to Romney because Obama couldn't fill an entire stadium.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
158. Its true, but that stadium will be filled. O is just that popular.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:25 PM
Sep 2012

He's still popular with the youth. He's popular with women. He's popular with African Americans. He's popular with Latinos. He's popular with unions. Pretty much, he's popular with everybody that isn't a white male racist.

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
16. Because politics are all about showmanship.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:28 AM
Sep 2012

We may not like it, but you need to capture people's attention somehow.

RandiFan1290

(6,239 posts)
20. More people want to see him
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:35 AM
Sep 2012

If he turned people away the same people would be concerned that he is an elitist. The media are going to try and trash it either way... yeah I'm shocked.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
84. Opportunity For Non Delegates - I Attended in 08 - AWESOME Experience
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

The whole day was filled with music, speakers.

BlueinOhio

(238 posts)
23. Cobbled Convention
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:40 AM
Sep 2012

On yahoo article about about not having enough people to fill seats at the convention

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
104. Yahoo is a piece of shit news organization, that is trying to be the next Fox.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:54 PM
Sep 2012

I wouldn't believe them if they wrote that my pants were on fire, even if I smelled smoke.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
36. Oh the horror!1! WTF1!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:07 AM
Sep 2012

lolz Sometimes the stupid here is beyond ordinary. Great pic, thanks for posting!

Julie

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
25. They Wanted A Place That Could Hold The Large PUBLIC Crowd They Expect To Attend
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:42 AM
Sep 2012

It's a way to open the convention beyond the delegates.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
44. This poster has been doing this schtick for half a decade....
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012

You think it old have gotten old to her by now...

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
31. My goodness he wants as many people who want to attend be able to attend. I see nothing wrong with
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:00 AM
Sep 2012

that. Just yesterday I was reading people were lining up to get the free pay to hear the acceptance speech. Waiting and spending the night in line. I think it is great people are willing to wait to hear history being made. I think he will give a great speech.

vademocrat

(1,089 posts)
43. Because so many people want to see him -
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:25 AM
Sep 2012

As others have said, providing transportation for people who want to see him is different from having to bus people in. I live in Richmond, VA and every time he's here there is much more demand than there are tickets available. I know several people who will be driving from here to see the acceptance speech - they are NOT being "forced", they are not being paid by the DNC - they want to see President Obama in person and this is the first chance they've had. I don't like crowds so will watch on tv in my comfortable den...

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
46. Why the fuck does Cali have to concern troll everything cool and neat in the world?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:30 AM
Sep 2012

Why can't she just be excited like the rest of us? Worrying all the time, wet blanketing everything, being a buzz kill, etc.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
143. I think its something they call 'flame bait'
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:47 AM
Sep 2012

hint: Ignore treads started by the OP

btw, this will be my last

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
47. Because inclusiveness kicks fucking ass!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:32 AM
Sep 2012

If he only appealed to angry old racist misogynist, homophobic, self-hating white men they could have it at a fucking Denny's I suppose.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
48. He doesn't have to, but he can and if you can, you should...Obama can and should.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
Sep 2012

And just fyi, those who take it upon themselves to mention security, you call this 'a risk' in the thread, really need to get specific about the areas in which they disagree with the Secret Service about this event.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
54. OMG....of all the issues going on in this world...
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

Hand wringing about Obama accepting the nomination in a stadium rather than the convention center?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
141. Which is worse? So called "hand-wringing" or condescending scolding about there being
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:34 AM
Sep 2012

more important issues?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
152. hand-wringing
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:02 PM
Sep 2012

because the fact remains, this issue is inane. There are a lot more important issues IMO.

I mean showing concern over the fact that Obama will accept the nomination in a stadium rather than the convention center is a little absurd IMO.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
160. I say scolding...but that's just me. Sure, there are some here who get a bit
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:43 PM
Sep 2012

too passionate...I am the biggest culprit.....but, the fact remains that there are pros and cons of every issue raised.
Shit, now I sound like a scolder. sorry :&gt

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
55. Hell, why not a local bar. He could hand out free White House beer - it would be a first AND a blast
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:48 AM
Sep 2012

Parking might be a WEE bit of a problem, and it might be three to a urinal and one at the sink for most of the night (been in bar settings like that). Still, all of the stadium stuff is just getting ridiculous on both sides. And yet the most annoying thing I've seen cited on DU is the commentators COMMENTING NON-STOP! How about just recording what's being said and giving a simple "This (so-and-so), the (position held) from (location)." and then SHUTTING UP?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
87. you lucky duck.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:13 PM
Sep 2012

It will be so much fun for you! argh. I am so jealous.

Normally I hate crowds and avoid them but I love screaming, yelling, loud and happy crowds.

And there will be din.

Brother Buzz

(36,456 posts)
73. Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:35 AM
Sep 2012

Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?



Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
123. "We see our role as essentially defensive in nature"
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:31 PM
Sep 2012

" While our armies are advancing so fast and everyone's knocking themselves out to be heroes, we are holding ourselves in reserve in case the Krauts mount a counteroffensive which threatens Paris... or maybe even New York. Then we can move in and stop them. But for 1.6 million dollars, we could become heroes for three days."








Seemed only appropriate to have clip with Eastwood in it.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
74. Because enthusiastic reactions from a HUGE crowd are the best possible campaign
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:36 AM
Sep 2012

ad. Millions who watch on TV will get swept up emotionally and "join" the crowd--choose decisively to be on our side at the polls.

For what would you use any money "saved" by scrimping on the most important event of Barack Obama's Presidency? If you can't answer this question, then you agree that spending on the convention acceptance speech is the most effective campaign spending of all.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
75. Conventions are prestaged commercials designed to draw a large audience and showcase the products.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:37 AM
Sep 2012

Hell, they'd put the acceptance on at the Super Bowl if they could.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
76. Because a lot of people would like to be there
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:55 AM
Sep 2012

So, as a species, we have developed these places where many people can see things at the same time. These places are called stadiums.

Do you have any other questions?

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
77. He should go for it
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:56 AM
Sep 2012

and go for it big. It's his last chance. I can't wait and the musical lineup is fabulous

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
79. There will be no trouble filling the seats,
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:07 PM
Sep 2012

which is why they're doing it there. People want to be at such an event. And they will come. Tens of thousands will be cheering President Obama. It's a great idea. If I could be there, I would. Why do you care?

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
82. Stephanie Cutter said today that they're watching the weather. If it's gonna rain, they
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:16 PM
Sep 2012

will move it to the same place Tuesday's and Wednesday's speeches will be held.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
93. Personally, I wouldn't have taken the weather risk. However, if there is no bad weather, the gamble
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:35 PM
Sep 2012

should pay off as hoped. nt

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
94. Need to check the address bar.. Yep.. this is STILL DU. Was concerned there for a minute.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sep 2012

Seriously. You do love to stir up some interesting stuff.

Thank you for your concern. The President will do just fine, judging from the massive crowds that were sold out, with thousansd more unable to get tickets, this week in smaller areas.

But really.. thank you soooo much for your concern.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
130. Just watched Obama's inauguration where there were a million people present
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:17 PM
Sep 2012

that was so awesome...they weren't made to take off a day of work without pay like those miners did for Romney.

Anyone watching OB's inauguration knows these people wanted to be there, even in the freezing cold..

I wish I could see him in person....Believe me, many Canadians love OB and wish we had someone like him.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
127. Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!!
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
Sep 2012

Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!! Yes We Can!!!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
131. Among other reasons he is using it as part of a massive organizing campaign to GOTV in NC.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:31 PM
Sep 2012

Last time we won NC by 14,000.

This time he has already registered 40,000 Hispanic voters.

They have 40 neighborhood offices in NC and they are going to fill up the stadium and pump up NC.

If the President takes NC then the election is over, there is no reasonable alternative for Romney to get to 270 without NC.

Even if he doesn't take NC he is going to make the Republicans spend a lot of resources including candidate time there.

It is a brillliant strategy.

Kind of like during the primaries when he pulled a huge advantage by sweeping Idaho.

"Why go to Idaho?".

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
137. Why the fuck does the President have to accept the nomination in person?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:30 AM
Sep 2012

Why couldn't he just accept it from the White House via a satellite video feed? Filling all those seats, the cost of security, weather, etc.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
140. Half agree Cali. I don't want the story to be more about the stadium and "bussing people in" than
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:27 AM
Sep 2012

about Obama himself. If he doesn't fill it, no enthusiasm. If he does fill it, it will be about how
he had to round people up from afar. Almost like a lose-lose. On the other hand, there will
be value derived by showing so many supporters. Perhaps it will all be a wash

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
142. man, this is an ugly thread. instead of debating the pros and cons of the use of a stadium,
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:38 AM
Sep 2012

there are attacks on the OP.

BumRushDaShow

(129,349 posts)
145. Why are you accepting "busing people in" as being a negative?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:24 AM
Sep 2012


This is the crux of the argument here. ANY large event - whether it is a gathering in a big park or at a stadium or at a convention center - people are "BUSED IN".

Here in Philadelphia, we have the Philadelphia International Flower Show every year. The attendance during the week of the show is generally 300,000 people. People come from all around the world to view the displays and participate in workshops. Many many groups (garden clubs, senior centers, churches, horticultural organizations) up and down the nation (generally east of the Mississippi), are BUSSED IN (which drives me completely insane during the week of the show because of all the buses that I have to navigate around as part of my commute to work).

So this thing about "busing people in" attached to some sort of nonsensical spin beyond the practicality of bringing large groups of people to an event, IS BULLSHIT.

Have I made myself clear?
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
149. No, didn't mean to imply that. I think it's great...the more the better. But, I am realistic
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:27 AM
Sep 2012

enough to already know how the other side will spin it. Hypocritical of course since Romney's bussed
Mormons everywhere he speaks.

BumRushDaShow

(129,349 posts)
150. Everything out of a rethug's mouth is a lie or spin
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:36 AM
Sep 2012

magnified by the M$M, so overly focusing on something minor like this nonsense only serves to play into their hands.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
151. Dear friends and, well, not so much friends.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:08 AM
Sep 2012

You're wasting your time venting your spleen, unless of course, you just want to vent your spleen and don't care that I won't be reading it. I was warned about the thread, so I'm not reading responses.

I will say one thing: If ithe stadium gambit fails, we won't be hearing the end of it from the friendly MSM. Make that two things: I get that they're trying to recreate the magic and sense of inevitability of yesteryear. Personally, I think that's a risky choice. The environment is way different. Yes, I have a lot of faith in the President's political team, but that doesn't mean I think they're infallible.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
159. It will fill, don't worry.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

Yes its a big gamble, but the stakes are high and its time for big rolls of the dice. But Obama is popular enough he can fill a stadium. All the right-wing media will have left to blather about is how they think its arrogant to have a speech in a big football stadium. And they'll look like fools for it. The rest of the media, the ones who sway back and forth like CNN, will blow in our direction and ejaculate over how amazing Obama is. And the left leaning media will convince us that Obama actually is Christ and was just walking on water during the speech. Daily Koz will report that not only did Obama walk on water, but he moonwalked as well.

The stadium gambit is a win-win all around if filled, and it will fill. Mark my words.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
155. to crush Romney with the spectacle of President Obama's vast support
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:15 PM
Sep 2012

I urge everyone to go, but my experience is they're probably already sold out. That's why they moved to the larger venue.

Security is expensive everywhere.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
156. Because it shows everybody in the world that O is so popular he can fill a gigantic stadium.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:19 PM
Sep 2012

That sends a powerful message to us, to his competitors and the rest of the world. Its a stunt, yes, but a effective and powerful one. I recall the stadium footage from 2008 in Denver and it was emotional for me to watch then, as it is for me now recalling it.

It serves to demoralize the opposition. Romney had a couple of empty seats in Tampa during his speech, plus it was a snoozer of a speech and he had to go up there after the Eastwooding of a chair. By comparison, Obama will come out on stage in that massive stadium to a deafening roar of a crowd, that will unman Mitt even before Obama starts talking.

The world will get to see the sitting President of the United States being applauded by an ecstatic and energized citizenry, this will show the world that the American people love this guy, that's counts for gold in the realm of global politics.

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