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Someone took photos of Taylor's opening statement. PDF link (WaPo) (Original Post) Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 OP
I wish I had time to read it California_Republic Oct 2019 #1
I printed the pdf to read when I get home from work in about half an hour. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #3
It's always necessary to drink a glass of wine lunatica Oct 2019 #5
I like you. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #6
This is my life's philosophy also. mcar Oct 2019 #21
Merlot or white zin? FakeNoose Oct 2019 #25
HAHAHAHA Bottoms up...way, way up! VOX Oct 2019 #46
LOL! Where can I buy one of those?! lunatica Oct 2019 #47
Not sure, I just love the photo FakeNoose Oct 2019 #51
It puts some class into drinking directly from the bottle lunatica Oct 2019 #53
Not to mention the maximizing streamline efficiency! A woman after my own heart. Texin Oct 2019 #58
On DU- -just need to ask....LOL asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #63
DU is the last place you ever need to go to lunatica Oct 2019 #71
My mother-in-law got me one at Amazon. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #77
and maybe a bong hit too. TeamPooka Oct 2019 #69
Here's the nutshell version: lettucebe Oct 2019 #38
Thanks for that! VOX Oct 2019 #48
I think Senator Johnson is mixed up in this as well. kairos12 Oct 2019 #55
Double thanks. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2019 #59
True lunatica Oct 2019 #72
Thanks! orangecrush Oct 2019 #67
The supershort version: tclambert Oct 2019 #44
It is only 15 pages mgardener Oct 2019 #45
Is there a Classic Comics version for Tucker to read to his viewers? 3Hotdogs Oct 2019 #65
Wow! That's amazing! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #2
iPhone 11. Pro Max Blue_playwright Oct 2019 #41
release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine.... IcyPeas Oct 2019 #4
Bill Taylor doesn't look like the kind of guy who will take crap from anyone Skittles Oct 2019 #23
Thanks FrankBooth Oct 2019 #7
Wow!! wcast Oct 2019 #8
Wow. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #9
Wow, stunning read! cynatnite Oct 2019 #10
Wow. Directly implicates Trump cally Oct 2019 #11
Thank you... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #12
Wow is right! FirstLight Oct 2019 #13
Holy Shit! sheshe2 Oct 2019 #14
Thank you, thank the WaPo, & most of all thank the person with the cell phone! Hekate Oct 2019 #15
I agree. Whoever that was is a true patriot. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #16
If it tips off the next batch of hostile witnesses or defendants, maybe not such a good thing. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #29
Possibly, but I think public awareness needed a shot in the arm. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #31
Yeah - it's a tricky balance. We definitely need to boost public support for the impeachment. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #33
This opening statement could be the silver spike. yonder Oct 2019 #17
Trump is fucked grantcart Oct 2019 #18
"This condition was driven by the irregular policy channel...guided by Mr. Giuliani." B Stieg Oct 2019 #19
Just read it.... Bayard Oct 2019 #20
Lindsey Graham is right now, somewhere Flo Mingo Oct 2019 #22
South Carolinians need to wake up. There are not sufficient words to describe his mendaciousness hlthe2b Oct 2019 #28
Exactly like lynching?????? Traildogbob Oct 2019 #30
Wow. Very interesting. infullview Oct 2019 #24
well, it certainly lays it out there in a compelling manner... hlthe2b Oct 2019 #26
That is hugely detailed. Also an amazing accomplishment to smuggle it out. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #27
This is way more Raftergirl Oct 2019 #32
1. Thank you, Mr. Taylor 2. Fuck you, SONDLAND Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #34
Someone deliberately leaked it IronLionZion Oct 2019 #35
I think so too bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #75
Not finished reading it but it jumped out at me that again it was Bolton FM123 Oct 2019 #36
Reactions reading through that. After wow Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #37
Public statement, with microphone iwillalwayswonderwhy Oct 2019 #39
Lindsay Graham said... Penthor-Mul Oct 2019 #40
Yep! Welcome to DU n/t FreeState Oct 2019 #61
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2019 #83
Trump needs to be thrown out of office. Nothing less will do. - n/t Jim__ Oct 2019 #42
This will spread to all Trump foreign policy Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #43
Well... this is it, then... albacore Oct 2019 #49
Here is a really good summary of the opening statement - long thread on twitter OKNancy Oct 2019 #50
Excellent thread, thanks! Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #52
thanks. I did an edit and copied and pasted OKNancy Oct 2019 #54
Thank you for putting this together, Nancy!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #64
Excellent. I'd suggest reposting as a separate thread for more visibility. tinrobot Oct 2019 #70
OK - thanks for the suggestion OKNancy Oct 2019 #74
Thank you! dixiegrrrrl Oct 2019 #76
I hope Senator Johnson (WI) goes down too. LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #56
Profound proof that Trump et alios extorted Zelensky/Ukraine/Ameria.Taylor is a great patriot. stuffmatters Oct 2019 #57
Just finished reading it. Karma13612 Oct 2019 #60
I just finished reading it. My overall impression was the lack of concern for those Ukraine citizens usaf-vet Oct 2019 #62
Ukrainian citizens??? jcgoldie Oct 2019 #66
Nails in Trump's (as well as several other Republicans') coffin. sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #68
Trump's little wrists are being 'lynched' with handcuffs Jarqui Oct 2019 #73
Well it looks very very bad for Trump, very bad for Giuliani and Barr, and bad for Sondland. triron Oct 2019 #78
knr triron Oct 2019 #79
He doesn't have to be guilty of a crime to be impeached RainCaster Oct 2019 #81
I realize that. triron Oct 2019 #82
OMG! I have known for a long time that DFT has no scruples, but this is a new low RainCaster Oct 2019 #80
Holy shit. progressoid Oct 2019 #84

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
3. I printed the pdf to read when I get home from work in about half an hour.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 03:39 PM
Oct 2019

Wondering if I need to steel myself with a glass of wine first.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
53. It puts some class into drinking directly from the bottle
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

LOL! My question was a rhetorical one, but it would be a great gag gift!

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
63. On DU- -just need to ask....LOL
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:39 PM
Oct 2019

Bed Bath and Beyond for one...many when I google...

Godinger Chugmate Wine Glass Topper

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
77. My mother-in-law got me one at Amazon.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:00 PM
Oct 2019

I've never used it, but boy has it been tempting for the last year!

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
38. Here's the nutshell version:
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:46 PM
Oct 2019

Sondland is a liar, Pompeo is a liar, everyone involved knew what was going on was a clear quid pro quo.

He said there were two channels, the regular channel and the irregular channel. This is not how US policy is supposed to work.

The ones named as involved in the irregular channel were: then-Special Envoy Kurt Volker, Ambassador Sondland, Secretary of Energy Rick Perry, and Mr. Giuliani.

They should all be wetting their pants at this point

VOX

(22,976 posts)
48. Thanks for that!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:01 PM
Oct 2019

I'm kind of rushed today, so your thumbnail sketch was very helpful. Seriously!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
59. Double thanks.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:29 PM
Oct 2019


This marvelous age of information and music-tv etc at one's fingertips is a double edged sword.
I've learned that "saving to read later 'cause I am too busy with other things to read" does not actually work well,
because the "other things" become the new "I am too busy reading" them, so must save new stuff to read later.....etc etc etc

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. Wow! That's amazing!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 03:38 PM
Oct 2019

Also amazing that someone was able to photograph it so clearly! Even the parts in shadow are clearly legible.

FrankBooth

(1,604 posts)
7. Thanks
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 03:50 PM
Oct 2019

So basically Trump is going to say "I said explicitly that there is no Quid Pro Quo." And of course that's utter nonsense, like a murderer pulling the trigger and telling his victim, "I'm not shooting you right now." These people are corrupt, disgusting assholes.

wcast

(595 posts)
8. Wow!!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 03:54 PM
Oct 2019

I hope this shakes support loose from those with the power to make this right while punishing those who clearly had I'll intent.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
14. Holy Shit!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:03 PM
Oct 2019

I am only half way through it.

CNN is on it now, they have a copy and are reading parts of it.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
15. Thank you, thank the WaPo, & most of all thank the person with the cell phone!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:09 PM
Oct 2019


ETA: Gratitude to our Career Diplomats, Career Civil Servants, and all those who see the nobility of Public Service!!

yonder

(9,666 posts)
17. This opening statement could be the silver spike.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:12 PM
Oct 2019

This stood out for me, to paraphrase: "Sondland's explanation to Taylor that 'Trump is a businessman' and that when a businessman signs a check, they expect to be paid up" is the very definition of quid pro quo.

Also, it sounds exactly how tRump might have explained to Sondland his reasons for doing this -- second hand trumpspeak.

Quid pro quo, baby.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. Trump is fucked
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:13 PM
Oct 2019

A great statement.

Exactly what Lindsay Graham said he needed to vote for removal.

For the first time I believe he will be impeached and removed.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
19. "This condition was driven by the irregular policy channel...guided by Mr. Giuliani."
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:16 PM
Oct 2019

You said it, brother!

Bayard

(22,099 posts)
20. Just read it....
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:21 PM
Oct 2019

Its mostly confirming what we already know--that tRump and Giuliani pressured Zelensky to start these, "investigations", and he had to announce it on U.S. television. They were to cover the Bidens, and that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. If he wanted security funding.

The statement is extremely detailed about the time line, and the parties involved.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
28. South Carolinians need to wake up. There are not sufficient words to describe his mendaciousness
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:31 PM
Oct 2019

and total lack of regard for his oath of office, not to mention his lack of fidelity for the one he took in the military.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
26. well, it certainly lays it out there in a compelling manner...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:29 PM
Oct 2019

I put nothing past the denial of Republicans, but really, this has to move at least some of them.

to Ambassador Taylor

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
27. That is hugely detailed. Also an amazing accomplishment to smuggle it out.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:31 PM
Oct 2019

I hope though, that it doesn't mess up the operation of the Committee. I have to wonder what was the motive of the person who did it.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
36. Not finished reading it but it jumped out at me that again it was Bolton
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:41 PM
Oct 2019

that told Taylor to send a "first person cable" to Pompeo to explain what was going on, just the way he told Fiona Hill to notify the chief lawyer what was going on. They need to get Bolton up there to speak.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
37. Reactions reading through that. After wow
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:46 PM
Oct 2019

What communication methods did the ukraine back channel use? Volker, Sondham had a 3 way chat with Taylor on whatsapp?!?

I guess it isn’t email so not worth investigating?

What other unsecured methods were used? Can we subpoena whatsapp logs?

What is Barr doing involved in foreign affairs? Not DOJ business but trump’s personal business. He needs to be impeached and disbarred.

Zelensky clearly understood what was going on and said he didn’t want to be a pawn in us elections.

Sondland delivered the quid quo pro attempt. Investigate in exchange for a meeting. The extortion, the withholding of military aid, was done earlier. I’m not a lawyer but l guess that extortion is different than a quid pro quo. Trump did both. Sondland made an illegal request.

Does trump know what a quid pro quo is other than it is illegal? He says it wasn’t but has his minions trading a meeting for investigations.

For the lawyers among us, is withholding military aid extortion or a quid quo pro? Is extortion a form of quid quo pro?


Penthor-Mul

(1 post)
40. Lindsay Graham said...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:47 PM
Oct 2019

...that seeking political help from a foreign state was impeachable. Also said that if such evidence from somewhere other than "the call" would be enough for him. Let's see where he stands now.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
43. This will spread to all Trump foreign policy
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:53 PM
Oct 2019

“Trump is a businessman”. This is how he conducts all business. They’re going to find out that every single interaction Trump and his cabal has with foreign leaders was an attempt to extort them for Trump’s personal gain.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
50. Here is a really good summary of the opening statement - long thread on twitter
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:04 PM
Oct 2019

ON edit, I just copied his tweets past the first one




2/ Amb. Taylor says (p3) he met with Pompeo on May 28 when he was asked to become acting Ambassador after Yovanovich was sacked, and made clear that he understood why she was sacked, and that he wasn't going to come in unless Pompeo could assure Giuliani would have no role.

3/ Taylor says (p. 4) that upon arriving in Kiev he found two policy making channels, "one regular," ie the normal embassy chain of command, and one highly irregular" consisting of Volker, Sondland, Perry and Giuliani, a "shadow" policy group making its own decisions.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
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40m
4/ Taylor realizes by June (p. 5) that this second, irregular channel is underminin existing US policy around the conditions of a Zelensky visit. Notes with alarm that Sondland "Did not want to include most of the regular interagency participants" in a 6/28 call planned with Z.

5/ Taylor is now alarmed, as any good bureaucrat would be. Sondland (p. 5) says wants to make sure "no one is transcribing or monitoring" the June 28 call with Zelensnky. Volker says he will meet Z next day and "planned to be explicit" about Trump's conditions for a WH visit.


6/ Taylor says the irregular policy channel is now in charge, with Giuliani - who has no policymaking authority and no clearance - running things. For an Ambassador, this must have been setting off multiple alarms. By mid-July, Taylor himself is being excluded from meetings.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
·


7/ On July 18, Taylor learns OMB has suspended security assistance at direction of President Trump. Embassy Taylor has *meticulously* documented every exchange. This is both bc of training and because he is alarmed and making sure he leaves a paper trail.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
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8/ Taylor says irregular policy channel "running contrary to long standing goals of US policy." Taylor notes that at multiple meetings all cabinet level secretaries support releasing military aid. It is being held up solely bc of Trump. There are records of all these meetings.

9/ Talor gets readout of July 10 meeting with Sondland and Ukranian officials at WH in which Sondland pressed for Ukrainian investigations, which so outraged Bolton he called it a "drug deal" and told NSC official Fiona Hill to contact WH lawyers.
Brad Simpson


10/ The tell here is Taylor's description of Ukrainian officials confusion in the July 10 meeting. They are essentially being told about two contradictory US policies. Ukrainian officials later say Zelensky "Does not want to be used as a pawn in a US re-lection campaign."


11/ This is the damning part: the Acting US Ambassador to the Ukraine does not receive a full read out of the July 25 Trump-Zelensky call, only a "cryptic summary." Just crazy. the White House won't tell an Ambassador to the Ukraine about a call with the Ukrainian Pres.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
·

12/ Taylor doesn't see an official read out of the call til its publicly released on September 25. Let's repeat. The US Amb to Ukraine has to wait two months to find out contents of a call between Trump and the Ukrainian President. This is extraordinary and without precedent.

13/ Taylor (p. 10) relays to Bolton his concern about Trump withholding aid to Ukraine and writes Pompeo a letter. Congress will get this letter, you can be certain. Pompeo uses this letter in WH meeting on Ukraine aid. Taylor kept receipts, made copies, left a paper trail.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
·

14/ Taylor learns during Pence's Warsaw visit that Sondland told his Ukrainian counterpart that US security assistance would not be released until Zelensky agreed to an investigation of Burisma. NSC aid Tim Morrison says Trump insisted that Zelensky "go a microphone" and say...


15/ That Zelensky is opening an investigation into Biden and the 2016 election. Sondland Sept 9 says Trump insistent that Zelensky had to "clear things up and do it in public." Note that Ukrainians still getting conflicting policy signals from two opposing currents.
Brad Simpson


16/ On September 11, aid is released, after this blows up. So what can we learn, from the perspective of a historian of US foreign policy? First, the friction between the 'regular' and 'irregular' policy tracks leaves a thick documentary trail that Congress can track down.

17/ Taylor notes at how US policymakers who are frozen out of the regular policy loop, as well as Ukrainians, are confused because of conversations in the Giuliani led track. In bureaucratic terms this is damning. High level policymakers frozen out of their own policy tracks.

18/ Taylor also notes how many people are aware that a highly irregular policy group is running things, that they are undermining established US policy, that they are making corrupt domestic political demands, and - crucially - that they are trying to cover their tracks.
Brad Simpson
@bradleyrsimpson
·

19/ This is as damning as it gets, and Taylor recorded everything, as a good bureaucrat does. I don't see any possible wriggle room for Trump defenders here. This is a highly persuasive, exhaustively documented account of abuse of power from an unimpeachably credible source.


20/ If I were reading this years later, as a historian poring through the archives, this would read like a textbook conspiracy to undermine existing US policy in the service of a covert domestic political agenda, undertaken on a shadow policy track. Wow. Wow. Wow. END

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
70. Excellent. I'd suggest reposting as a separate thread for more visibility.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:56 PM
Oct 2019

Really needs to be seen.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
57. Profound proof that Trump et alios extorted Zelensky/Ukraine/Ameria.Taylor is a great patriot.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:24 PM
Oct 2019

Boy, Zelensky sure was Trump's hostage in that painful Zelensky "no push" /Trump: "no pressure!" show video.


Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
60. Just finished reading it.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:32 PM
Oct 2019

Yea, I WONDERED if it was a cellphone image capture.
Wow indeed.
I think a lot of people are going to be really upset about this!

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
62. I just finished reading it. My overall impression was the lack of concern for those Ukraine citizens
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:36 PM
Oct 2019

... facing Russian troops within eyesight across a bridge and having not enough defensive weapons.

Again Trump doesn't care about anyone or anything unless it involves HIS wants and needs. The explanation that Trump is a businessman and won't give up what he promised until he gets what he thinks he is owed is outrageous.

Obviously, it proves to me that being a businessman is not an adequate experience to be a world leader. The man lacks any human compassion for others and would as the saying goes would deny even his own mother comfort and security if he thought she owed him something of value first.

I hope he, Rudy and others face severe consequences for this injustice.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
66. Ukrainian citizens???
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:41 PM
Oct 2019

Bahh you just gotta let em fight it out like kids then yank em apart once in awhile...

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
73. Trump's little wrists are being 'lynched' with handcuffs
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:26 PM
Oct 2019

That is a very damning, thorough and comprehensive statement supported by the documents, transcripts, texts and previous testimony already in evidence.

triron

(22,006 posts)
78. Well it looks very very bad for Trump, very bad for Giuliani and Barr, and bad for Sondland.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:26 PM
Oct 2019

I think Pence will be caught up just not sure if he is guilty of a crime.

RainCaster

(10,884 posts)
81. He doesn't have to be guilty of a crime to be impeached
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:51 PM
Oct 2019

High crimes and misdemeanors are not always criminal offenses.

RainCaster

(10,884 posts)
80. OMG! I have known for a long time that DFT has no scruples, but this is a new low
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:49 PM
Oct 2019

I cannot see how any one in the GOP can support this crook.

It took me about 30 minutes and two glasses of Cab to read this. Everyone should. I am only left with questions :
1. Why is Giuliani not in prison?
2. Why is Rick Perry not in prison?
3. Why is Pompeo not in prison?

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