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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump was not trying to dig up dirt on Biden.
He wanted to create dirt out of thin air.
All he really needed was for the president of Ukraine to make a public statement (it had to be in public) that he had opened an investigation into Joe Biden.
That is all he would need to build the case against Joe Biden. (Much like he did against Hillary Clinton in 2016)
It is an example of "yellow journalism". Trump is like William Randolph Hearst just before the Spanish-American War.
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It is arguably the most celebrated anecdote in the history of American journalism. Sometime in early 1897, as the story goes, artist-correspondent Frederic Remington found himself in Cuba working for the New York Journal. The famous painter of bucking broncos and other Wild West scenes was on assignment for the newspapers owner, William Randolph Hearst, in anticipation of hostilities with Spain.
There is no trouble here, the bored Remington informed Hearst by telegram. There will be no war. I wish to return.
Hearst fired back, Please remain. You furnish the pictures, and Ill furnish the war.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/magazine/2019/03-04/yellow-journalism-role-spanish-american-war/
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Obama birth certificate, "dirt" on Biden...same asshole, different day. He realized a percentage of the population was stupid enough to believe whatever he said, emphatically and frequently enough.
erronis
(15,303 posts)The sleaze covers all of them.
A good system of background checks and associations with known crooks, hoodlums, money-launderers, real-estate moguls, sequential bankruptcies and non-payments would probably rid the presidency of 30-40% of all occupants (current is 100%), and congress of another 20-30%.
Does being a natural crook make one think about becoming a politician?
Or does wanting to be a politician make you a target for the lobbyists of power and sex?
I think the first mainly, the second much less.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Asshole better conjure up himself a wormhole to another galaxy because I think the Russians will turn on him soon.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Maybe there is a ray of sunshine to know it is trump who is trying to pull another coup, and not all on the Russians
renate
(13,776 posts)Its not just that he was willing to abuse his power to get Ukraine to lie about an investigation... its that he was willing to tell a bald-faced lie, period. Obama and the birth certificate all over again! Just a flat out dirty, contemptible liethis time with the forced word of a foreign government. And paid for with our tax dollars.
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)He needs to stay in office so that he doesn't go to jail but his newest crime will probably not help him to get reelected but instead might help him end up in jail after all. He should have let sleeping dogs lie since Barr's lies about Mueller were almost working for him. What a fucking moron!
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)It hurt Biden with Dems to some degree and the low info right fell for it. JHC if you have a low info base you can tell them anything.
gordianot
(15,239 posts)Oh how the dogs will bark and howl!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...must actually believe the CrowdStrike conspiracy theory and that there was dirt to be found on Biden. Corn, who I respect, argued that Trump must believe those things because Trump was mentioning these things in a private phone call. I said at the time that I don't think that's necessarily the case; that Trump was probably just wanting the Ukrainian government to make a public statement about investigations.
I started a thread about this earlier today: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212610650. And what I want to know is what is going to be done about this. As your anecdote indicates, this is certainly not a new strategy. But it's disturbing how it can be both so simple and so effective, especially in an era when tens of millions of people believe some of the most batshit crazy stuff imaginable. It's time for the media and Democrats to be very blunt about this epidemic. Make it embarrassing to believe nonsense and place an emphasis on civics and media literacy in schools, so that we don't lose more impressionable people down the rabbit hole.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)The reason he tried to do this is because that is what Putin has made him do.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Excellent points, Kentuck.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)Say it with me.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Trump heard from Putin that Ukraine was corrupt, and that it's new leader was a joke. Hence, he was convinced he could capitalize on the corruption plus weak leader.
Aussie105
(5,401 posts)and you are a desperate Dictator, other people will appear more evil than you.
If the (supposedly) corrupt and (supposedly) weak Ukrainian leader had said 'Sure, we will look into it for you', that's all Trump would need.
He'd twist that around to suit his own desperate need to be Top Dog, to be vindicated, and his followers would cheer and rally around him to protect him.
Lies, fabrications, half truths, misrepresentations, twisted facts, explanations without logic, Deep State plots - Donnie and the GOP can generate them by the (garbage) truck load, and some of it will stick. Unfortunately.