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FM123

(10,053 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:30 PM Oct 2019

We Have Now Arrived At The Logical Endpoint Of Trump's Immunity Argument

Wow... Trump’s lawyers told judges that YES Trump really could shoot someone and not be prosecuted!

(TalkingPointsMemo) NEW YORK — I wasn’t expecting laughter in court today. But at the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, there were stifled chortles as personal attorneys for President Trump finally arrived at the logical destination of their argument that he is immune not only from prosecution – but from investigation. It came in Trump’s appeal challenging a state grand jury subpoena for financial records from his longtime accounting firm, Mazars USA.

Manhattan District Attorney General Counsel Carrey Dunne told the appeals court that Trump was acting as if the law did not apply to him, and was trying to have it both ways by asserting executive protections over an investigation that concerned his private business. Trump attorney William Consovoy had argued that not only does the Constitution prevent a sitting president from indictment, but it also prevents criminal investigation or “process” from being applied to the head of state.

Dunne brought up Trump’s famous statement when he caught fire during the 2016 Republican primary, saying, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”

“If he did pull out a handgun and shoot someone on Fifth Ave,” Dunne asked, “would the local police be restrained?”

“Would we have to wait for impeachment?” he added.

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Judge Chin raised Dunne’s point. He asked Consovoy for his “view on the Fifth Avenue example.”

“Local authorities couldn’t investigate, they couldn’t do anything about it?” he asked.

No,” replied a visibly annoyed Consovoy amid stifled chortles.

Nothing could be done? That’s your position?” Chin repeated.

That is correct, that is correct.”

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We Have Now Arrived At The Logical Endpoint Of Trump's Immunity Argument (Original Post) FM123 Oct 2019 OP
"The judge is biased against me and makes me sound like a half-wit!" struggle4progress Oct 2019 #1
You CHOSE to be trumps lawyer. You were a halfwit to BEGIN WITH lol. Volaris Oct 2019 #3
Nixon: "Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal." 3Hotdogs Oct 2019 #2
Let's Test This Out..... global1 Oct 2019 #4
Oh for God's sake. Who among us hasn't raised this very point to refute this lame defense? Mr. Ected Oct 2019 #5
I would have followed up with another question... Goodheart Oct 2019 #6

3Hotdogs

(12,391 posts)
2. Nixon: "Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:51 PM
Oct 2019

So there you have it. Settled law.

global1

(25,253 posts)
4. Let's Test This Out.....
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

Give Trump a handgun and send him to NYC 5th Ave. Let's see what develops!!!!!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
5. Oh for God's sake. Who among us hasn't raised this very point to refute this lame defense?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

Anyone asserting that the President is legitimately above the law gets their directions from Mother Russia.

Excuse me, this is the fucking United States of America. Who the fuck are you people? How do you sleep at night?

Goodheart

(5,327 posts)
6. I would have followed up with another question...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 07:01 PM
Oct 2019

"Can he even be ARRESTED?"

"For example, if he were walking down Fifth Avenue with an AK-47, gunning down scores of people, can he even be stopped?"

If he can't be indicted what would be the basis for stopping him?

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