The Keystone pipeline is leaking, which is why we should have built the XL shortcut

[Recursion]

This one bugs me every time it pops up on Facebook.

Among the US protests that Russia funded was the anti-Keystone XL movement. Keystone XL was an attempt to shorten the existing Keystone pipeline, cutting nearly a thousand miles off its course and so reducing its exposure to leaks by about 40%.

It was never built, largely because well-meaning people protested it, but the result is that the old, longer pipeline is still being used, and we have leaks like this one in North Dakota, in a place the XL would have bypassed.

I think cancelling the XL was probably the biggest own-goal in environmentalist history.

[Recursion]

5. It does, right now, and it leaks into North Dakota

That's why people wanted to make the pipeline shorter

[at140]

2. Canada's Crude should go in a straight line

from source to destination refineries/markets.
Any longer route is more cost, more chance of leaks.

[at140]

4. Only as supplemental source of power

because when the wind stops or night falls, we still need energy from fossil or nuclear.
Electricity cannot be stored. It must be produced as needed and used.

[Recursion]

7. Using inefficient pipeline routes doesn't advance that goal (nt)

[2naSalit]

8. Canada's crude should stay in the ground, period...nt

[Recursion]

9. That would be great. Inefficient dangerous pipeline routes don't make that happen

As we can see here

[2naSalit]

10. Some of the more recent leaks of pipelines

have happened in my state. A few years ago there was a leak from a poorly placed pipeline that passes under the Yellowstone River. We need to get off fossil fuels ASAP.

[Recursion]

11. We do. Refusing to shorten pipelines doesn't help that happen (nt)

[Disaffected]

13. What about US crude?

OK with that??

[2naSalit]

16. Wasn't the topic.

But since you asked, all fossil fuels should stay in the ground. The transition has not been made due to lack of will.

[EX500rider]

18. Oil is made into many things:

A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)
One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:

Solvents Diesel fuel Motor Oil Bearing Grease
Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats
Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides
Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures
Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes
Cassettes Dishwasher parts Tool Boxes Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape
CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline
Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap
Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes
Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Shoelace Aglets
Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant
Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings
Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint
Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters
Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring
Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick
Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber
Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin
Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice
Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint
Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards
Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses
Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses
Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs
Combs CD’s & DVD’s Paint Brushes Detergents
Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents
Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones
Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras
Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages
Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers
Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups
Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia
Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline

https://www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/

[Disaffected]

19. OK then.

Thing is, being an Albertan, I'm a bit sensitive about all the flack coming from US sources about oil sands crude production when US crude production exceeds all of Canada by a wide margin and is growing rapidly (due mainly to shale oil & fracking).

All fossil fuels cannot stay in the ground - not yet but I agree we have to reach that point and, sooner than later.

[cilla4progress]

12. I understood it was about the route -

Next to a lake, fresh water source on an Indian reservation.

[Recursion]

14. That was DAPL, a competing pipeline

Two different things, and as far as I've seen Russia didn't coordinate and fund the anti-DAPL protests but did the anti-KXL protests.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. There are claims they made general anti-US energy industries posts including both DAPL and KXL

Russian operatives used inflammatory social media posts to disrupt U.S. energy policy, including inciting environmentalists to protest against pipeline projects, House Republicans said in a report released Thursday.

The report, released by the majority staff of the House Science Committee, said it found evidence Russian-sponsored agents used Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram to suppress the research and development of fossil fuels and stymie efforts to expand the use of natural gas.

“This report reveals that Russian agents created and spread propaganda on U.S. social media platforms in an obvious attempt to influence the U.S. energy market,” Texas Representative Lamar Smith, the chairman of the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee, said in a statement. “Russian agents attempted to manipulate Americans’ opinions about pipelines, fossil fuels, fracking and climate change.”

According to the report, groups such as the Internet Research Agency, a Russian company with links to the Russian government, used propaganda to target Energy Transfer Partners’ Dakota Access Pipeline, TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL pipeline, and other projects. Russian-sponsored agents also funneled money to U.S. environmental groups in an attempt to portray energy companies in a negative way and disrupt domestic energy markets, the report said.

https://fortune.com/2018/03/01/russia-social-media-energy-policy/

but "co-ordinated and funded the anti-KXL protests"? Evidence, please. That is a serious allegation against many environmentalists, if you say they were co-ordinated by Russia.