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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"What about her corruption in Arkansas!" Guy was unhinged at the tailgate party on Saturday.
I don't exactly remember what got this guy going but he nearly choked himself telling me why he didn't vote for HRC in 2016. He started trash talking her about the Clintons in Arkansas which he called "all that stuff" and I was in no mood to encourage him further.
But I thought about later and decided to ask DUers what my calm, measured response shudda been. I probably will run into him again at the next game in two weeks*.
Please give me a calm but dead on statement to shut him up. And it wasn't about her emails this time.
*this is the freaking Ivy League at the Yale Bowl, fer crissake. Next is The Game (against Harvard) and our group will be even more drunk (them, not me) than this one against Columbia.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)That issue is as dead as the email issue.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Some kind of land deal that went kaput...will research and have ready...dunno if he'll be sober, tho and there is nothing less productive than arguing with a drunk...
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)There was dozens of CT's about airstrips and cocaine - also investigated-to-death after which is was deemed to be a CT, not based in any reality.
Hotler
(11,431 posts)saying he flew many tons of coke into Mena Arkansas. No convictions doesn't mean it didn't happen. Things that make you go hhmmmm.
Even William Barr was involved in shit back then.
WhiteTara
(29,719 posts)I think not. Do you think she knew everything that was going on? I think not. If she had, then she would have known Bill was dipping his wick here and there and she did not. But whatever.
Hotler
(11,431 posts)My post was in context to a poster claiming that cocaine being flown in to Mena, Arkansas was CT.
You have a nice day.
JHB
(37,161 posts)The allegations about cocaine running into Mena first came up in something entirely unconnected to the Clintons: Reagan's resupply operations for the Nicaraguan Contras, and the allegations that shady people running illicit cargoes down to Central America were bring back other illicit cargoes on the return trips.
Hotler
(11,431 posts)FBI Special Agent Richard M. Taus recalls uncovering and reporting evidence of a CIA drug trafficking by a group called the "K-team".
According to Stich, "the K-Team had a front operation with the patriotic sounding name National Freedom Institute and called its operation the "Enterprise", the same name that repeatedly surfaced during the Iran Contra congressional hearings....Taus's team discovered that the K-Team was a CIA operation and that it was engaged in drug trafficking, looting of savings and loans, and activities related to what later would become known as Irangate and Iraqgate."
Another of Stich's informants, Gene "Chip" Tatum confirmed these allegations. He was the helicopter pilot who actually ferried Oliver North, Felix Rodriguez (aka Max Gomez) and William Barr (attorney of the CIA's Southern Air Transport and later George Bush's Attorney General) in Central America.
Tatum describes in one meeting to "determine where $100 million in drug money disappeared on three routes from Panama to Colorado, Ohio and Arkansas. This theft was financially draining the operation known as the "Enterprise". The first call was made by Joseph F. Fernandez to Oliver North, informing North that "the money loss was occurring on the Panama to Arkansas route, and that means either Seal, Clinton or Noriega."
No honor among thieves, since not only CIA pilot Barry Seal, but Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and Panama's General Manuel Noriega were all under suspicion of skimming George Bush Sr.'s cocaine profits.
And here is how the Dixie Mafia and the Yankee Mob work together, according to Gene "Chip" Tatum.
"Fifteen minutes later the portable phone rang and Vice President George Bush was on the line talking to William Barr" continues Stich, "Barr said at one point, referring to the missing funds, " I would propose that no one source would be bold enough to siphon out that much money, but it is more plausible that each are siphoning a portion causing a drastic loss"...Tatum said that Barr then dialed another number immediately reaching governor Bill Clinton. Barr explained the missing money problem to Clinton explaining that over $100 million of the Enterprise monies had disappeared....warning that the matter must be resolved or "it could lead to big problems."
I'm not arguing with anyone here or pointing fingers. Just stuff that makes go hmmmmm. As I mentioned before, just because there is no indictment or convictions doesn't mean there wasn't a crime. People with power and money have a way of making the truth disappear.
We will never know the truth. Fact or fiction, that period in or history is kind of a good read, even if it is on the dark side.
Have a good day folks.
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)otherwise, I don't want to hear it.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)Ask him why no one on the planet has any evidence for ANY of that stuff.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)you're already pathetic.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Thanks for giving me that!
WhiteTara
(29,719 posts)lifting it right here!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The other replies above are better. I just had to vent!
Arkansas Granny
(31,522 posts)the death of Vince Foster and the Clinton Foundation. Bill and Hillary may be the most investigated couple in US history.
None of the many charges of crimes and wrongdoing have borne fruit except for Bill's lies about a bj.
Unfortunately, there is probably nothing you can say that this guy would accept.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and an offier to bring him some coffee...
Arkansas Granny
(31,522 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)NickB79
(19,257 posts)They get a confused look when you use their taunt back at them.
nuxvomica
(12,433 posts)They go on and on about how corrupt the Clintons are so I press for examples and they can't give me any. I press and press, and they have nothing. Finally, they say it's their opinion and they have the right to say whatever they want. I counter that they don't have the right to accuse people without evidence and they should expect to be called on it when they do. And this wasn't just one person or one occasion. All these people believe the Clintons are corrupt and don't know why.
JHB
(37,161 posts)The Republican strategy for hamstringing Bill Clinton was to throw a constant stream of turdballs at him, hoping one would stick wile the rest sloughed off and pile up around his feet.
Then they would point to the great fogbank of steam rising off that pile and say "You know the old saying, 'Where there's smoke...'."
Those people remember the constant stream of headlines, but not how any of them panned out.
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)is to dive deeper into their premise.
Example:
Guy at work two weeks ago tells me he's voting for trump. I ask him why. "Economy," he say's. "What else?" I ask. Crickets. He has no idea.
I ask if he's seen trumps bullying/name calling. He has. I ask if it's appropriate for an adult to behave that way. His response; "Well, Obama..." "Stop;" I say, you're shifting the focus. I ask again; "Well, Hillary..." "Stop;" I say, you're shifting the focus again. Finally after pinning him down and forcing him to answer the question, he admits trump's name calling/bullying is wrong and it is inappropriate for an adult to behave that way.
Does he still support him? Absolutely. He (and millions of others) suffer from a fear-induced psychosocial disorder.
I calmly use cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) techniques with these folks and my desire is that upon refection my friend will admit to himself he supports an asshole. My yelling at him would do nothing. All I can do is hopefully help him to break through his cognitive dissonance.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)that is all" a la Miranda Priestly in "Devil Wears Prada."
DISMISS him.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)a lot of it comes from business graduates that think they are well educated because they got a "Learn How to Make a Lot of Money Degree"
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a Yalie would have a certain sneer on his face. This guy was just a little drunk and looked stupid...like he wanted to say something obnoxious (and succeeded beyond his wildest dreams but not the way he wanted)...
yardwork
(61,676 posts)It all comes down to money. Most people know enough about Trump's behavior to see that it's wrong. They know this, but they don't care. They don't care because they think that Trump is providing them with more MONEY.
It's all about the money for each demographic. Rich, well educated northeastern white man? To him, Trump means a booming stock market and lower taxes.
Rural midwestern farmer? To him, Trump is correcting decades of neglect and problems caused by Democrats.
I heard the owner of a large textile mill in SC assure an audience that Trump's tariffs "will be good for the country eventually, even though they're painful now." To this wealthy white man, Trump's policies might destroy his business, but damn, his investments in the stock market are doing amazingly well, so what if he eventually has to sell out?
And so down the list. Even extremely poor people believe - because they're told by hate radio and Fox News - that they personally will do better now that the bleeding heart liberal Muslims are out of power. Trump is "rough around the edges, but gets things done." By "gets things done" they mean killing black and brown people, taking rights away from everybody else, and shoveling money at white people.
Trump supporters aren't as confused as we would like to believe. They LIKE Trump. Believe them when they tell you this.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Any economic bonus that they are seeing now is still a residual of the Obama economy and some short term effects of Trump's sorely misguided tax cuts. Eventually Trump's policies are going to tank the economy - there is always a lag.
The reason that the market is going up is because with the tax cuts, companies bought back their own stock - instead of hiring or increasing wages - therefore reducing the number of shares outstanding and increasing the price per share.
My own company is a prime example of this. The price per share has jumped by over $40.00 per share since the tax cuts. The stock market is not a measure of the health of the economy at large. It's all smoke and mirrors with this administration and sooner or later it will all come falling down.
yardwork
(61,676 posts)Many of those who do understand don't care because they will "get theirs" and get out before the crash.
It's not just smoke and mirrors. There is actual collusion going on with the markets. The savvy people will make a killing and they'll know when it's time to bail.
You're correct that a lot of people are fooled by Trump. However, they're not fooled about the evil of his behavior.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)released, voluntarily, going back to the '80's, since the AR Gov campaign. Her taxes were voluntarily released for decades.
The other candidate, every time we hear about how some law enforcement group or oversight group wants access to HIS tax returns, it's because they're looking into criminal activity.
And he won't release them.
So hard to figure out, especially for an Ivy League grad. One hides his tax returns during actual criminal conduct investigations, the other always releases hers, and the repugs can't prosecute her for any criminal conduct.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)underpants
(182,848 posts)Opel_Justwax
(230 posts)Just ignore them and reach people that aren't dumb. YMMV. IMHO.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Tell him that if he can't prove his claims with verifiable records, he needs to eat a sandwich off of John Harvard's boot (like your school's unfortunately early retired mascot did ).
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)When did that happen?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Some Harvard pranksters somehow got to Dan and kidnapped him. Then they put hamburger on one of the boots of John Harvard's statue and Dan eat some of the hamburger, it got filmed.
Now that I think more about it, maybe it is urban legend, what mascot keepers would allow an arch rival kidnap their school's mascot? That is sort of like students from my university, The University of Florida successfully kidnapping the University of Georgia mascot, Uggo, or whatever that pathetic critter is called, hell would likely freeze over before that happened.
Karadeniz
(22,543 posts)Hearings was to lower Hillary's numbers, and bragged that it worked. Also, all the GOP Congress calls for appearances, documents relating to the emails, benghazi were responded to without obstruction, criticism, law suits. Really, a whole different attitude to a congressional probe by a Democratic administration to a GOP Congress than how a GOP admin treats a Democratic Congress. One factor, undoubtedly, is that the democrats knew Hillary had nothing to hide, so why not cooperate vs. the GOP knows they have tons to hide if revealed.
Let's not forget that McCarthy "joked" during Trump's campaign that he was in Putin's pocket.
There's a man who was a bigwig in the ins industry who apears on msnbc when ins is in the air. He knows ins and he's dead against our current system.
Mopar151
(9,990 posts)And could'nt buy so much as a traffic ticket, or a credible witness.
jcgoldie
(11,635 posts)How do you like Trump now?
LuckyCharms
(17,450 posts)hit his head on the toilet.