General Frank McKenzie, Head of US Command, who oversaw the raid that killed Baghdadi said today

[politicaljunkie41910]

that

"Baghdadi crawled into a small hole before detonating his suicide vest, and that they cannot confirm any of Trump's claims."

How the GOP tolerates this liar is beyond reason. You can't believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth. The mere fact that you can't believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth in and of itself should be sufficient grounds for Impeachment. If you can't trust him with the facts about the little things, we damn sure can't trust him with the truth when it comes to the big things. Bill Clinton was impeached over a lie about consensual sex; a question he should never had been required to answer in the first place. Trump has said on several occasions that he plans to steal Syria's oil. If a soldier made the claim that he intended to, or actually steals the treasures of war he'd receive a court martial. Trump brags about it and the GOP has said nothing publicly about the illegality of his words.

I'm surprised we still have a military. The military has a commander in chief who lies about absolutely everything and they are supposed to carry out his commands. I want to see what happens when he sends in our soldiers to steal another nation's oil. If I were still on active duty and Trump was my Commander-in-Chief, I'd have to leave the service as a conscientious objector, as I could not carry out the commands of a serial liar, which is what Trump is.

[UniteFightBack]

1. Translation.....dump is a LIAR. nt

[global1]

2. Has Trump Lost The Support Of The Military Yet?.....

Given putting them in danger with his pullout from Syria; stealing money from them for upgrades to bases, etc for his wall; trying to take credit for alBagadhi (aB); making stories up about aB's demise; etc. - one would think that Trump has lost the support and confidence of the military.

[hadEnuf]

22. The military is highly propagandized by the Right. Not all, but you have a lot of impressionable

young people who are fed the RW bullshit wrapped in the flag by these fake scum "patriots" daily.


The RW didn't spend billions buying up the media for nothing.

[Lock him up.]

35. Yeah, but I think the high command officers have seen enough of the moron...

doing everything he can to serve Putin, without them being able to do anything about it and it frustrates them.

I hope that, if the orange anus goes all the way to the deep end (if he's not there already) after being impeached, they will refuse to obey any illegal or even suspicious order to declare national emergency (if he does like Hitler).

[olegramps]

42. I can assure people that the vast majority of officers are staunch Republicans.

[stopdiggin]

47. but perhaps the type of Republicans

that can recognize the sack shriveling implication and danger of having a twitchy, vindictive, incompetent no-nothing as CIC? Maybe?

[zentrum]

3. Trump endangered us...

...with that humiliating lie.

He is salivating over the idea that we'll be attacked and then he'll be able to do do a war-President dance orchestrated by Ghouliani.

[Evolve Dammit]

20. I believe that as well. Would not be surpised if it was mutually planned. Buckle up.

[elleng]

4. Is there a link?

I'd like to spread this around.

[politicaljunkie41910]

19. It was on one of the early Sunday morning shows on MSNBC and they showed the General making the

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statement I posted. I even paused the TV so that I could write down his complete statement verbatim. After I saw your post, I looked back for it and while I had some of the early morning MSNBC shows recorded, I didn't have them all and I couldn't find it, but then I may have deleted it. When I tried googling the exact statement, I came across another statement from General McKenzie giving a similar speech which was dated 10/30/2019 posted by Politico and although the context was pretty much the same statement, though it was another speech and it showed above it that is was by Politico as well, though it wasn't the same speech I had seen on Live TV this morning, it was almost the exact same statement. My post quotes him exactly from the segment I watched this morning.

Below is the Politico.com post dated four days earlier than the one I saw this morning. It is very similar to the one I saw this morning though not the same exact one.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/30/mckenzie-baghdadi-death-062318

[caraher]

24. See Post 21 below

[elleng]

29. Thanks

[certainot]

5. putin told trump to repeat whatever limbaugh said (and repeats) and limbaugh would do likewise and

anything 1500 unchallenged radio stations repeat becomes the truth

then fox adds some blockheaded blonde-permed visuals

[Evolve Dammit]

18. And that is our biggest threat and possibly conspiracy? Sedition? Treason?

[certainot]

30. the 'collusion' is happening right under our noses

the kremlin's been using talk radio since at least 008 when they used limnbaauggh to push palin on mccain. then 2009 when limbo was used to push 'climategate', from a russian hack and wikileaks, and stop obama at copenhagen, delaying climate action and maintaining fossil revenues for putin, then using limnbaugh to push republicans into debt default/sequestration - not something american billionaires would want. they don't need to know who's feeding them, they just eat up anything used to attack democrats, liberals, social justice, democracy and push deregulation, racism, division, and tax breaks

[Evolve Dammit]

50. Agree. Thanks for recalliing important points that I have forgotten. Limbaugh walks a very fine line

and he knows it well. He is now advocating that Trump use him as a personal representative, similar to Guilliani, which of course is totally OK.

[certainot]

54. there are pics of limnbo with both trump and guiliani playing golf

talk radio is a huge part of all of this and it is really fucking stupid for dem and progressive leadership to keep ignoring it is really fucking stupid

[Evolve Dammit]

55. Totally agree. They don't meet it head on. Seem incapable.

[Kaiserguy]

32. That is one big mistake

that we made was not buying up station our self and using them to put out the truth. We would all be of if we had done that.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. Trump debases even America's most notable and noblest of moments.

Instead of noting their military mission for what they accomplished, he had to interject lies about Baghdadi's death. Then award a dog a medal in a poorly photo-shopped image made from a Metal of Honor winner's actual picture.

The GOP owns this criminal and they can support him to oblivion for all I care.

[The_Counsel]

7. Trump Is Actually Right About One Thing, Though...

...Baghdadi did die like a coward. Rather than getting taken down/out by US forces, he does himself in. Wuss.

Trump is still a lying jackass, though...

[Aussie105]

9. Questionable

But he 'martyred' himself rather than being taken alive. That, in the eyes of his followers, would have been cowardice.

Expect retaliation.

The words from Trump will stir up hatred overseas - leaving out the questionable morality of going to another country to do in someone you don't like.

The photoshop of the dog getting a medal will stir up disgust if not hatred domestically.
(The photoshop itself is a sad effort. The resolution on the dog part does not match that of the rest of the picture. And easily shown to be photoshopped. Why even bother?)

Trump is trying to alienate everybody - but fair is fair, his hate for the human race is spread equally across the globe. No prejudice there, none at all.

[oldsoftie]

14. AND 2 of his own kids

[ramen]

34. Am I reading you right that you would have done otherwise in the situation? What would it have been?

I've never been in one anything like it, so it's hard for me to predict what exactly my response would be.

[The_Counsel]

46. You Raise an Interesting Point. Tough to Tell What I Would Do in That Situation...

...given that I would probably never try to kill an entire nation of people because I disagreed with their government. Thus, I'm not as likely to be subject of an international manhunt.

BUT...

...if one thinks that he's a tough guy terrorist mastermind and he's about to be caught, it seems to me he should stick around and explain himself at the very least. Taking himself out, in my view, seems...well...lame.

[politicaljunkie41910]

57. I don't know about that. I think it takes a lot of courage to blow yourself up. As far as his

kids go, I think he may have figured that his enemies, or the US might torture his children (as he had done to others i.e. burning someone alive) and thought he'd take his own children's lives, rather than have them imprisoned, enslaved, or tortured and taken into captivity, and he would rather they have a quick death. Besides don't they believe that when he died they'd go to another world. Say what you will, but I think it takes courage to blow yourself up. That doesn't mean I don't think the man wasn't evil. I do. And to discover that all that evil, and no 40 virgins in the afterlife, what a big disappointment.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

8. KR NT

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Here's the thing. Everyone saw his first bullshit speech

Few will see this truth. And trump doesn't stand like a man and face the press without helicopter noise. So he never has to answer for previous lies.

It's working for him and the press look really bad.

[Kingofalldems]

16. So how does the press look bad when Trump lies?

[hadEnuf]

25. I think it's more how they lap up Trump's lies, giving them validity, that makes them look bad.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. Referring to their passive participation in these

Deliberately noisy news conferences. The generator for the copter makes so much noise the public can not hear the questions nor any follow-ups. It allows trump to obfuscate and riff on anything he chooses.

Press should demand that press conferences be held in an actual room. In addition, TV news networks should show the number of days since a real conference was held.

This is deliberate. Many WH press corps have lost their credentials. In addition, there aren't even any press secy conferences any more at all.

[crickets]

53. +1

[onenote]

11. I thought he said essentially the same thing several days ago

Is there a link to him saying it again today?

[littlemissmartypants]

12. Link? nt

[caraher]

23. See Post 21 below

[Beartracks]

13. Finally saw the Trump dog photoshop. Wow, it *is* poorly done. n/t

[Initech]

27. Told ya!

I've taken Photoshop classes, I can spot a bad job from a mile away! And that was a pretty terrible one!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. Your photo not showing. Only you have permission on that server to see it. . . . nt

[mountain grammy]

15. He spewed his shit for 40 minutes

Making it up as he went.

[snort]

17. Fuck you Baghdadi, I hope it hurt.

My daughter and Kayla Mueller were friends. She was a very nice young lady.

[caraher]

21. Some have asked for a link

NPR offers this account from Gen. McKenzie

When asked about President Trump's claims last week that Baghdadi died "whimpering" and "crying," the general said the ISIS leader "crawled into a hole with two small children and blew himself up while his people stayed on the ground. You can deduce what kind of person it is, based on that activity. I'm not able to confirm anything else about his last seconds."

[politicaljunkie41910]

31. I provided a comment from Politico which shows General McKenzie making a similar speech as the one I

referenced this morning which I had seen on one of the early morning MSNBC Sunday shows, which was the basis of my documenting the Generals words in my original post. While the Politico speech made by the General is dated Oct 30, (4 days prior), it is not the exact same one I saw this morning on MSNBC, though pretty similar. The difference between the two is that in the Sunday morning show on MSNBC, the General's stated that "they cannot confirm any of Trump's claims". On the Political recording of the General's speech which Political dated as October 31, the General states that he cannot confirm any of Trump's claims, one way or another".

[Initech]

28. *pretends to be shocked*

[UTUSN]

33. K&R

[yuiyoshida]

36. You mean TRUMP didn't shoot him on 5th Avenue?

His base will be disappointed...

[YOHABLO]

37. That long drawn out story, not surprisingly, was all BS. Such a fake and phony intonation he uses.

[Sewa]

38. This bullshit story keeps changing

A week ago they said the dude went into a tunnel with the “hero” dog right behind him. The dude is blown into a million pieces, but “hero” dog somehow is unharmed. How can you confirm a person’s identity when they’re blown into a million pieces. DNA testing takes time.

[chwaliszewski]

39. To answer your question...

the reason people will believe Trump, not matter what, is simply because he is anti-Democratic. Don't lose sight of the fact that many Republicans/Conservatives consider us Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, etc. to be homosexual-loving, baby-killing Atheists that want to steal their money. There's really no other way to explain it. Until you can change their views of us, they will continue to follow vile pieces of shit like Trump. The end.

[lark]

41. Yeah, the fact that they serve him should tell you a lot about our military.

It's not a thinking mans' job, it's following orders from your superior rank person, period the end. There is no contemplating of right vs. wrong when you are told to charge the field, you just charge and that would be today's miliary following drumpf as well. The military is and has alway been a rw rigid top down organization.

[Woodwizard]

44. That's how it has to work, you do have a chain of command

The generalization of soldiers being robots is way off base there are a lot of critical thinking skills being used on the ground.

A civilian disorganized mess will get a lot of people killed. Which I have to say every civilian job I worked at was a disorganized mess with blame shifting every time issues arose.

[Woodwizard]

43. As a former service member

I have the same sentiment, I could not be in the service with that coward at the helm, it has to be a very trying time for a lot of career soldiers.

[blakstoneranger]

45. Reports about Our Economy....

Are probably full of lies too. Our Economic reports come from the trump administration. If the reports are not good, we can suspect that trump wants the reports "juiced" to make him look good. It can be done, trump himself said that obama was doing it. And as we all know, trump is usually guilty of doing what he accuses others of doing. When a man lies so much, lies boldly to the faces of people who know hes lying and he lies anyway, well, that's a pathological liar. I know people like this, they lie just for the sake of it. They lie to entertain. They lie to impress. Lying is a tool they use to manipulate people. Hitler once said (somebody told him...), if you tell a lie big enough, often enough, people will believe it. Well not if you know the person telling it is a gigantic liar. But what pisses me off is that the media, all outlets, tend to treat trump with credibility. They never call him on his lies. This is the main problem, giving credibility to the bullsht that comes out of trump's administration. YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HIM OR HIS ADMINISTRATION, NOTHING, DOUBT EVERYTHING!!! THEY CALL THIS MAN A SOCIOPATH---I BELIEVE THEM.

[RichardRay]

48. No CO for you

Some of us tried that way back in Vietnam times. No legal way to leave the military because you consider a command illegal. Especially enlisted folks.

[NCjack]

49. Donald Trump: "Donald Trump directed the operation. General Frank McKenzie

simply did his best to carry out my orders. And, he better shut his mouth if he knows what's good for him. I have my eye on him because he has not yet shown me that he is a Trumper now and will always will be a Trumper."

[Freethinker65]

51. Concrete Wall to slat fence. Tunnel to small hole.

Biggest ever to not even close.

[dawg day]

52. So were there three children killed?

That sort of haunts me.

[Bonx]

56. Baghdadi is still alive? Wher do we think he's hiding?