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ffr

(22,670 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:41 PM Nov 2019

Sondland Revises and Extends, Loops Pence Into Ukraine Scandal



….In his updated testimony, Mr. Sondland recounted how he had discussed the linkage with Andriy Yermak, a top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, on the sidelines of a Sept. 1 meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Zelensky in Warsaw. Mr. Zelensky had discussed the suspension of aid with Mr. Pence, Mr. Sondland said.

Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, this is the first time the Pence has been explicitly tied to the quid pro quo. Pence’s previous testimony have been the usual favorite of VPs throughout history: he was out of the loop and knew nothing. But if Sondland is to be believed, that’s not true.

So now it looks like pretty much everyone knew about Trump’s extortion of Ukraine. - Mother Jones


We'll need to speak to you now too, Mr. Vice pResident.

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Sondland Revises and Extends, Loops Pence Into Ukraine Scandal (Original Post) ffr Nov 2019 OP
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2019 #1
More long pauses in interviews by the Albino. gibraltar72 Nov 2019 #2
Oh my! JustAnotherGen Nov 2019 #3
Trump will be ticked that he spoke up but delighted to see Pence dragged into this mess nt Jarqui Nov 2019 #4
I know I'm delighted to see Pence dragged into this mess. It was always just a matter of time. nt crickets Nov 2019 #13
Senate Repubs won't vote to impeach drumpf if P is also implicated. joost5 Nov 2019 #15
Yep. Jarqui Nov 2019 #18
Oh Happy Day malaise Nov 2019 #5
I wonder how this will turn out el_bryanto Nov 2019 #6
Republicans will attack his credibility and imply that if his recollections shift, how can Blue_true Nov 2019 #23
Ruh Roh Raggy... Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #7
shorter headline: Pence Pantsed! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #8
Pence was also involved with the conspiracy involving the 2016 campaign shit with Russia, wikileaks, triron Nov 2019 #9
LOCK THEM ALL UP !!! dweller Nov 2019 #10
I'd give a social security check to charity Submariner Nov 2019 #11
Mother is not True Blue American Nov 2019 #19
Oh Dear.... Pachamama Nov 2019 #12
So God's involved? Pence must have heard wrong. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #14
And the first female POTUS......Nancy Pelosi! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #16
Pence reminds me of Sargent Schultz from Hogan's Heroes. patphil Nov 2019 #17
And thank you, Mother Jones, BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #20
Beautiful. President Pelosi? coeur_de_lion Nov 2019 #21
If Sondland just admitted HE offered the quid pro quo, hughee99 Nov 2019 #22

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
3. Oh my!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:49 PM
Nov 2019

Shit is getting real!

meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Zelensky in Warsaw. Mr. Zelensky had discussed the suspension of aid with Mr. Pence, Mr. Sondland said.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
13. I know I'm delighted to see Pence dragged into this mess. It was always just a matter of time. nt
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:21 PM
Nov 2019

joost5

(421 posts)
15. Senate Repubs won't vote to impeach drumpf if P is also implicated.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:01 PM
Nov 2019

That's drumpf's real motivation. By chaining himself to Pence, drumpf is inoculating himself from Rs voting to impeach in the Senate considering Rs would never allow Pelosi to ascend to the presidency. The 33% crazy for cocopuffs Faux News base wouldn't allow it either.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
18. Yep.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:38 PM
Nov 2019

Pence could go first but like Gerald Ford, can you imagine someone like VP McCarthy becoming president?

I would think that is equally nightmarish for Democrats. I can't stand that dishonest weasel.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. I wonder how this will turn out
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:56 PM
Nov 2019

I kind of feel like changing testimonies will make him seem less credible - but at the same time it does seem to tie in with other pieces of evidence.

Bryant
http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. Republicans will attack his credibility and imply that if his recollections shift, how can
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:29 PM
Nov 2019

he be believed. They are evil bastards, but geniuses at clouding up the water to such an extent that some people get confused.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
7. Ruh Roh Raggy...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:59 PM
Nov 2019

Soundland decided getting charged with perjury was a bridge to far to go for the amoral pig.

sigh, and now the christofascist theocrat's deeds are dragged into the sunshine.

triron

(22,006 posts)
9. Pence was also involved with the conspiracy involving the 2016 campaign shit with Russia, wikileaks,
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:01 PM
Nov 2019

Cambridge et al, etc. It's all really one humongous scandal.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
11. I'd give a social security check to charity
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:16 PM
Nov 2019

if I could stand in front of Pence and ask "Mikey, what's it like being a very devout christian that strongly believes in the 10 Commandments, and at the same time lying to me and the public about your involvement as an enabler in the Ukraine extortion scheme?"

I would really like to hear a republican, any republican, tell the damn Truth for chrissakes.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
16. And the first female POTUS......Nancy Pelosi!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:11 PM
Nov 2019

I'd way prefer Warren, but I'll take it!


I was just wondering....IF it looks like Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in all this, and he is also in danger of being impeached, could Trump just ask for Pence's resignation, and appoint a "clean" VP to make sure the job doesn't go to Nancy?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
22. If Sondland just admitted HE offered the quid pro quo,
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:19 PM
Nov 2019

Doesn’t he also need to testify that Trump told him to do this? Otherwise, Trump can just say that Sondland did this on his own?

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