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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLA Times article about the Mormon community in Mexico
This Mormon break away group has a violent and dicey history. Mitt Romney's grandfather and great grandfather were part of this group and Mitt's father was born in Mexico as part of this group.
Massacre of U.S. citizens puts spotlight on Mormon community with deep roots in Mexico
The roadside killings of nine U.S. citizens in northern Mexico has brought renewed attention to the scattered communities of Mormons who settled in the country more than a century ago to escape persecution. The three women and 14 children whom assailants ambushed Monday as they drove toward Arizona from the town of Bavispe in Sonora state included descendants of a fundamentalist Mormon community that has lived in the country for decades.
Early Wednesday, criminal investigators in northern Mexico said a suspect had been arrested and was under investigation for possible connections with the deaths. A Mexican official had earlier said the killers might have mistaken the family for members of a rival drug cartel. Some of the victims shared the last name LeBaron. They were related to a prominent fundamentalist Mormon family by the same name, said Daniel LeBaron, a cousin of one of the victims, Rhonita Maria Miller. Daniel LeBaron lives in Colonia LeBaron in Chihuahua state, a community established by fundamentalist Mormons in 1944 that has close ties to the LeBarons of Bavispe.
The LeBarons are among a handful of major groups of fundamentalists, said Patrick Mason, a historian of Mormonism at Utah State University. But, he added: The LeBaron name in recent decades has been most often linked to violence. Unfortunately, this incident only adds to that association.
The family is perhaps best known for a series of killings perpetrated in the 1970s and 1980s, in both Mexico and the United States, by Ervil LeBaron once called the Mormon Manson and a group of his followers.
Lots more at: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-11-06/mormons-mexico-lebaron-fundamentalist-history
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)one was sick and evil, these women and children were victims, likely intentionally killed as the community has spoken out against the cartels, and yes, even armed themselves against them though not these victims. They have had no help in their stance.
Yes, they broke with mainstream Mormonism to,practice polygamy. Many now are monogamous.
Their purported violent and dicey history, any Romney association, and unorthodox ways are media side-shows. Babies were killed, burned to death in a car explosion caused by a drug cartel.
One child walked 14 miles to get help after what he had seen.
Mainly members of the Langford family were killed.
This NYT story seems less lurid, more respectful of these victims of cartel violence, as goes to the point at hand:
Innocence Is Shattered: A Storied Mormon Family Reels After Mexico Murders
Fundamentalist groups that split from the Mormon church have for years navigated life amid the drug war in northern Mexico.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/mexico-mormon-community.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
PufPuf23
(8,824 posts)Thought that the general history of the groups and connection with Romney was of interest.
Thanks for the article link.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)history etc., but I am heartened by where you stand. Yes, it is interesting that Romneys gramps
wasnt like a business titan or something.
stopdiggin
(11,358 posts)meaning a mistaken target? Obviously the ambush and killing was quite intentional.
keithbvadu2
(36,890 posts)The Mormon community in Mexico.
Dual citizenship but refuse to assimilate.
Our right wingers like that word for immigrants.
Is polygamy legal in Mexico?
No... However...
https://www.quora.com/Is-polygamy-legal-in-Mexico
Drinking alcohol openly.
Smuggling guns.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)probably hypocritical anti-immigrant polygamous RW Trump supporters.
keithbvadu2
(36,890 posts)I already agree with "horrendous deaths".
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)obligatory how horrible for victims and their families before going on to the implied guilt by association anglecertainly not anything new to such stories or political forums. Im free to express my disgust. Do I honestly need to put the sarcasm emoji on my post. Fine.
keithbvadu2
(36,890 posts)Without the sarcasm emoji, you were attacking me.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)wrong to condemn members of the community victims belonged to, just that it seems exploitive
of this tragedy, in terms of timing, to emphasize lurid details that seem not to have to do with these victims fate.
That fate should be a prime concern and so far it seems to have been a part of cartel violence and not related to members hypocrisy, anti-immigrant feeling, or any of our own political arguments with the RW.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)In 1993, a federal jury in Texas convicted three members of an offshoot of the community of LeBarons in the deaths of three former members and an 8-year-old child. One expert estimated that members of the group had killed as many as 30 people over the years.