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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:05 PM Nov 2019

Senator Schumer: "Peter King stood head & shoulders above everyone else"



Chuck Schumer ✔ @SenSchumer

Peter King stood head & shoulders above everyone else

He’s been principled & never let others push him away from his principles

He’s fiercely loved America, Long Island, and his Irish heritage and left a lasting mark on all 3

I will miss him in Congress & value his friendship


The Hill ✔@thehill

#BREAKING: Longtime GOP Rep. Peter King won't seek reelection: report http://hill.cm/ZqP3Npp


7:50 AM - Nov 11, 2019


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Senator Schumer: "Peter King stood head & shoulders above everyone else" (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 2019 OP
He loved his Irish heritage so much The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
Sinn Fein H2O Man Nov 2019 #10
Sinn Fein was the political wing of the IRA. King spoke out in favor of the IRA itself The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #15
Yes, I'm quite H2O Man Nov 2019 #22
The IRA have a lot of blood on their hands and have to share the OnDoutside Nov 2019 #35
Yes, I agree H2O Man Nov 2019 #42
Great song. Only recently ran into it and shared with my partner raised in Ireland. I don't emmaverybo Nov 2019 #37
Right. H2O Man Nov 2019 #43
Yes. Go straight to the non-violent, no passing "explosives." Bu5 it seems that in most dire emmaverybo Nov 2019 #48
Sinn Fein was legal.. whathehell Nov 2019 #56
lol RandiFan1290 Nov 2019 #2
Pathetic tman Nov 2019 #3
Schumer sometimes acts like a Quisling. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #4
He's getting raked over the coals on Twitter - so much so his name is trending. Dennis Donovan Nov 2019 #9
Good. Our Dem honchos need to learn not to suck up to the worst jerks on the GOP side. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #11
Seriously?? Wawannabe Nov 2019 #32
As George Carlin said, it's a *club*--and we aren't in it. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #5
+1 this Kurt V. Nov 2019 #28
And things are not black and white. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #44
Yep LeftInTX Nov 2019 #47
All hail, the great Carlin. lindysalsagal Nov 2019 #51
I guess he was so elated King was leaving that he lost his mind... hlthe2b Nov 2019 #6
What a bizarre tweet by Schumer. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2019 #7
And there was no need, no pressure to tweet about it at all. It was entirely gratuitous. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #13
Another reacharound PCIntern Nov 2019 #8
As much as I hate Helms I will give him one thing dsc Nov 2019 #41
He did. I remember his anguis when Cruz would not sign on funds after one of the floods question everything Nov 2019 #12
I look forward to the day Schumer retires. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #14
Ugh.. Why? Glimmer of Hope Nov 2019 #16
When you're standing on a pile of bodies, Senator gratuitous Nov 2019 #17
Schumer is too old school lunatica Nov 2019 #18
Cordiality has to be a two way street. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2019 #21
There are young adults today who have only experienced lunatica Nov 2019 #23
Absolutely, Here I will share a story ChubbyStar Nov 2019 #29
Another of his "Friends from across the aisle" TheCowsCameHome Nov 2019 #19
Your Democratic Senate Leader, folks BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #20
Comity is one thing democrank Nov 2019 #24
this is why we get the shit kicked out of us so often. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #25
Sad but true. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #53
Schumer should be dumped as leader nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #26
Am I missing something I don't see where King doc03 Nov 2019 #27
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #30
WTF, Chuck? Rhiannon12866 Nov 2019 #31
I'm certainly no fan of King as a politician... WePurrsevere Nov 2019 #62
Must support Democrats MyNameGoesHere Nov 2019 #33
Chuck is playing a game, people. Give him some slack (nt) Recursion Nov 2019 #34
No, he is not. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2019 #36
+1. Peter King is a racist asshole: dalton99a Nov 2019 #60
+1, they value relationships with republicans too much uponit7771 Nov 2019 #67
Unbelievable melman Nov 2019 #38
No he didn't, Chuck. spanone Nov 2019 #39
Head and shoulders Maru Kitteh Nov 2019 #40
I guess they were friends. I imagine they saw and dealt with each other quite a bit. Just like UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #45
Politics makes strange bedfellows. Many defense and prosecuting attorneys are friendly emmaverybo Nov 2019 #50
What Chuck? You guys drinking buddies or something? Liberal In Texas Nov 2019 #46
At this moment in time with what's unfolding, that lovey dovey sentiment was not needed. sprinkleeninow Nov 2019 #55
Words are cheap. But who are you gonna praise next? dalton99a Nov 2019 #49
Chuck praises this guy but dumped on Beto O'Rourke for his bold leadership on guns. liskddksil Nov 2019 #52
+1. Beto's reply: dalton99a Nov 2019 #54
This why I have no use for Schumer Miguelito Loveless Nov 2019 #57
Harry Reid picked Schumer because of his fundraising prowess dalton99a Nov 2019 #59
Applying Occam's Razor... Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #58
Well said! nt WePurrsevere Nov 2019 #63
Mayyybe... he means King was exactly one bottle of Head & Shoulders taller than the other people. NCLefty Nov 2019 #61
Well, you can miss him for the rest of us, Chuck. GoCubsGo Nov 2019 #64
I'd prefer he said, "Good riddance." theaocp Nov 2019 #65
I worked in a steel shop many years ago and next to the time clock.... Hotler Nov 2019 #66
Proposed text for King's farewell address: MurrayDelph Nov 2019 #68

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,900 posts)
1. He loved his Irish heritage so much
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:08 PM
Nov 2019

that he supported the IRA. Apparently he was opposed to terrorist organizations only if they are Muslim.

H2O Man

(73,637 posts)
10. Sinn Fein
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:17 PM
Nov 2019

He supported Sinn Fein. I still never liked him.

On edit: He did speak at what was called a pro-IRA rally in 1982.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,900 posts)
15. Sinn Fein was the political wing of the IRA. King spoke out in favor of the IRA itself
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:23 PM
Nov 2019

on a number of occasions.

For Representative Peter T. King, as he seizes the national spotlight this week with a hearing on the radicalization of American Muslims, it is the most awkward of résumé entries. Long before he became an outspoken voice in Congress about the threat from terrorism, he was a fervent supporter of a terrorist group, the Irish Republican Army.

“We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry,” Mr. King told a pro-I.R.A. rally on Long Island, where he was serving as Nassau County comptroller, in 1982. Three years later he declared, “If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation, it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the I.R.A. for it.”

As Mr. King, a Republican, rose as a Long Island politician in the 1980s, benefiting from strong Irish-American support, the I.R.A. was carrying out a bloody campaign of bombing and sniping, targeting the British Army, Protestant paramilitaries and sometimes pubs and other civilian gathering spots. His statements, along with his close ties to key figures in the military and political wings of the I.R.A., drew the attention of British and American authorities.

A judge in Belfast threw him out of an I.R.A. murder trial, calling him an “obvious collaborator,” said Ed Moloney, an Irish journalist and author of “A Secret History of the I.R.A.” In 1984, Mr. King complained that the Secret Service had investigated him as a “security risk,” Mr. Moloney said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/politics/09king.html

H2O Man

(73,637 posts)
22. Yes, I'm quite
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:33 PM
Nov 2019

familiar with Sinn Fein. And I have relatives who were associated with the IRA. I keep in touch with one cousin in particular -- when he was a teen, the British military entered the family's house and murdered his brother in front of the family. I'm also friends with a NYC resident who assisted John Lennon with sending the money from his song "Luck of the Irish" to Sinn Fein. Had another cousin who was friends with Bobby Sands.

I favor non-violent resolutions to conflicts, of course. But I do not blame the IRA for the Troubles.

OnDoutside

(19,982 posts)
35. The IRA have a lot of blood on their hands and have to share the
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:04 PM
Nov 2019

blame for continuing the Troubles.

H2O Man

(73,637 posts)
42. Yes, I agree
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:23 PM
Nov 2019

that the IRA had blood on their hands. That's the horror of war. And so many innocent people were killed or seriously injured. It was terrible, and it didn't have to happen. Hopefully, this Brexit business doesn't result in a return of tensions.

My father was a first generation citizen of the US. Relatives fought in WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. I know that military conflicts take an ugly toll on those who live through them as participants. Likewise, wars take a terrible toll on non-participants that live through them.

I'm not an advocate of violent conflict.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
37. Great song. Only recently ran into it and shared with my partner raised in Ireland. I don't
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:25 PM
Nov 2019

at all like the violence, but for many the IRA was the epitome of the saying that one person’s
terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.

H2O Man

(73,637 posts)
43. Right.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:28 PM
Nov 2019

It's interesting to note that two men, from different countries, went from being explosives handlers as young men, to statesmen when they were older: Nelson Mandela and Martin McGuinness. It's a shame that the world community doesn't learn from these and numerous similar examples. We would all be better off resolving conflicts with non-violent means.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
48. Yes. Go straight to the non-violent, no passing "explosives." Bu5 it seems that in most dire
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:32 AM
Nov 2019

situations it takes years of violence, horrible personal tolls,,mass horror, until opposing sides are pressed into peace to stop it.

In the case of the IRA, years of grievance. But I could tell my partner that the IRA did inexcusable things. He truly hasn’t a violent bone and would not join them. But it is hard to find an Irish Catholic that would disavow their cause. I missed that Mandela had handled explosives.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
9. He's getting raked over the coals on Twitter - so much so his name is trending.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:15 PM
Nov 2019
https://www.newsweek.com/chuck-schumer-criticized-peter-king-praise-retirement-announcement-1471070?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter

CHUCK SCHUMER CRITICIZED FOR PRAISING PETER KING AFTER RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT

BY JENNI FINK ON 11/11/19 AT 1:10 PM EST

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer faced criticism for praising Republican Representative Peter King after news broke of the senator's decision to not seek re-election in 2020.

"Peter King stood head [and] shoulders above everyone else ... I will miss him in Congress [and] value his friendship," Schumer wrote on Twitter.

On Monday morning, King announced on Twitter that he would be retiring from Congress after 28 years when his term concludes in 2020. The New York congressman called not seeking reelection a "difficult decision" and noted that the years he spent fighting for his constituents were "extremely fulfilling."

King is the latest Republican congressman to announce that their name would not be on the upcoming election's ballot. To date, four Republican senators and 17 Republican representatives publicly said they would not seek reelection, according to Fox News. Some speculated Republicans deciding to leave Washington, D.C., could make their seats vulnerable to a Democratic successor, thereby enabling the Democratic Party to increase their presence in Congress.

Schumer, who also represents New York in Washington, D.C., credited King with being principled and a person who never let "others push him away from his principles." He added that King left a "lasting mark," on America, Long Island and his Irish heritage, which he "fiercely loved."

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Wawannabe

(5,685 posts)
32. Seriously??
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:25 PM
Nov 2019

quis·ling
/ˈkwizliNG/

noun
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.

Seriously?? You are calling Schumer a traitor????

LeftInTX

(25,619 posts)
47. Yep
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019

What's Schumer supposed to say?
"Good Riddance"?

TBH, he could have opted not to say anything, but maybe they're friends in real life.

lindysalsagal

(20,747 posts)
51. All hail, the great Carlin.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:45 AM
Nov 2019

One of my personal prophets. Right up there with Mr. Rogers and Dr. Seuss. If only we had him around now.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
41. As much as I hate Helms I will give him one thing
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:16 PM
Nov 2019

he wouldn't be laying down for Trump's love of Russia and his treatment of Ukraine. He would be standing up for Congressional perogatives.

question everything

(47,544 posts)
12. He did. I remember his anguis when Cruz would not sign on funds after one of the floods
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:17 PM
Nov 2019

that hit the Wast Coast, but then - Cruz, that is - expected similar funds for Texas.

Also, he was one of the few Republicans objecting to the "tax reform" because, yes, it would penalize his constituents.

Everything is relative, but I think with the bunch of hypocrite self serving Rs now in Congress, he actually looked decent.

More or less

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. When you're standing on a pile of bodies, Senator
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:24 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, it can look like someone standing head and shoulders above everyone else.

Maybe Peter King is looking forward to a re-establishment of the hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland? Might be good times again for his terrorist pals.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. Schumer is too old school
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:29 PM
Nov 2019

I remember when being cordial was a thing, but that was long, long, ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. There are young adults today who have only experienced
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:35 PM
Nov 2019

Our government as a bizarre bad dream. Of course, President Obama was the saving grace, but the opposition, led by Moscow Mitch, wallowed in their cesspool. That’s really sad.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
29. Absolutely, Here I will share a story
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:07 PM
Nov 2019

I have wealthy family, I am not real close but I go to functions, when I am asked (required). I always make sure to bring my smiley face, and my barf bag for when I leave. There was this one friend of the family, she was totally odious, a RW con woman, married a much older very wealthy man, vapid and real vindictive. I met her 20x, yet she NEVER remembered my name, and she couldn't even talk to me for 10 seconds without saying, in a very dismissive tone, "oh there's Bill, gotta go." In short a total DOUCHE.

The last time I spoke to Dore, last Christmas, I was very abrupt and excused myself quickly, she stopped me and asked if I was "speaking rudely to her?" I said "hell no Dore, I'm just speaking to you like you always speak to me."

Two way street, and they have done the damage, time for them to get out of the fucking way.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
53. Sad but true.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:45 AM
Nov 2019

And a batshit insane political party has far more power nationwide than the Democratic Party does.

We're not soft on crime; we're soft on Republican crime.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
62. I'm certainly no fan of King as a politician...
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:31 AM
Nov 2019

and cringed a bit at Schumer's praise but I also get that he had to say something and, if nothing else, Schumer is the quintessential 'keep it classy' type of politician.

IDK... I figure both men are from NYC and have probably interacted in a "friendly opposition" way for decades. While I have always struggled with separating my political beliefs in relationships, I learned long ago not to be shocked (too often) by politicians/pundits being able to do so and maintain, to us, oddly friendly relationships. Now that I'm in a position where I have to sometimes bite my tongue and pick my arguments again, this time in order to gain info, etc for my personal well being as an adoptee in reunion, I must admit that I rather envy the ease some seem to have with this.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
33. Must support Democrats
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:51 PM
Nov 2019

Must support Democrats
Must support Democrats
Must support Democrats
Must support Democrats
Must support Democrats

Whooo that was close, I had to reset my brain for a second.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
45. I guess they were friends. I imagine they saw and dealt with each other quite a bit. Just like
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

Cummings was friends with that Meadows fellow..things in life are not always in stark black and white terms.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
50. Politics makes strange bedfellows. Many defense and prosecuting attorneys are friendly
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:41 AM
Nov 2019

howse the family before they go to,war. We don’t know. I have no desire to control them or force them to insult or ignore each other. May be a political,game, friendship, how it’s done. As long as they do for us what they promise.

sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
55. At this moment in time with what's unfolding, that lovey dovey sentiment was not needed.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:16 AM
Nov 2019
Whiskey Tango Alpha Foxtrot
 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
52. Chuck praises this guy but dumped on Beto O'Rourke for his bold leadership on guns.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:45 AM
Nov 2019

Real profile in courage.

dalton99a

(81,637 posts)
54. +1. Beto's reply:
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:10 AM
Nov 2019
“Ask Chuck Schumer what he’s been able to get done,” O’Rourke, a former member of the House of Representatives from Texas, told reporters. “We still don’t have background checks. Didn’t have them when he was in the majority, either. So the game that he’s played, the politics that he’s pursued, have given us absolutely nothing, and have produced a situation where we lose nearly 40,000 of our fellow Americans every year.”

Miguelito Loveless

(4,475 posts)
57. This why I have no use for Schumer
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:29 AM
Nov 2019

He spouts horseshit like this. Too many in the Democratic leadership share this same idiotic/suicidal belief that conservatives are “honorable/ethical/principled” when they would slit their throat given half a chance.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
58. Applying Occam's Razor...
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:31 AM
Nov 2019

This whole thing looks to me to be Schumer, a New Yorker, acknowledging King, another New Yorker.
There is no doubt they've had a lot of contact over the years, politically and socially. It's political glad handing.
I'm from Chicago. Political enemies praise each other all the time here. It's old school, but it's still a thing.

Of course, as an American, I'm very happy to see King go, but I'm not about to condemn Schumer as a traitor,
as an earlier poster did.

I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Be happy. Another seat that a Dem can have is opening up.

GoCubsGo

(32,097 posts)
64. Well, you can miss him for the rest of us, Chuck.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:34 AM
Nov 2019

I know I speak for many of us when I say that I will not miss him at all.

theaocp

(4,245 posts)
65. I'd prefer he said, "Good riddance."
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:16 AM
Nov 2019

He didn't have to do or say anything. Stop fucking painting Republicans as anything less than the scum they are or shut your mouth. This is not complicated, but folks bend themselves into pretzels to defend it. Lunacy. Unity in a party comes from LACK of unforced divisive stuff like this. Schumer's old school? Make a phone call instead of announcing to the world how great Republicans are.

Hotler

(11,452 posts)
66. I worked in a steel shop many years ago and next to the time clock....
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:32 AM
Nov 2019

was a sign that read "Silence is the only substitute for brains." jeez Chuck.

MurrayDelph

(5,301 posts)
68. Proposed text for King's farewell address:
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:55 AM
Nov 2019

"...And if I achieved any success in life, it's because I stood on the necks of giants."

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