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edhopper

(33,587 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:46 AM Nov 2019

Why the obsession with Hunter Biden?

I think it was more than just getting dirt on Joe Biden before 2020. I think he specifically wanted to go after Hunter because he knew, porobably from internal polling, that his kids, specifically Don Jr. and Eric, but Javanka too, increased his disapproval ratings. Like the GOP always does, they try to throw their own weakness on their opponent. And no one does this more than Trump.

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Why the obsession with Hunter Biden? (Original Post) edhopper Nov 2019 OP
He's also better looking than Trump's two older sons- dawg day Nov 2019 #1
They only want Hunter to go after his daddy. SummerSnow Nov 2019 #2
Yes of course, edhopper Nov 2019 #6
45 does not care one iota about Hunter except to use him as a tool to frame Joe. LonePirate Nov 2019 #3
only reason was to bring Joe Biden down in whatever manner beachbumbob Nov 2019 #4
yes edhopper Nov 2019 #7
It is all about the optics randr Nov 2019 #5
And a slew of "both sides do it" headlines Ohiogal Nov 2019 #8
This is exactly my point edhopper Nov 2019 #10
I have seen headlines such as Ohiogal Nov 2019 #14
And what do they say about the Trump kids edhopper Nov 2019 #16
Exactly! Ohiogal Nov 2019 #18
Hunter's mea culpa shows why it was important exboyfil Nov 2019 #9
Because it is all they got Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #11
I think there's something to that, but he's also throwing mud everywhere to see what will stick. catbyte Nov 2019 #12
Distracting from the crimes of his own children. EOM scrabblequeen40 Nov 2019 #13
It's simple.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2019 #15
It's a MacGuffin, just like Clinton's emails. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #17
Your hypothesis makes sense to me karynnj Nov 2019 #19
It's not that complicated. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #20
Why do they obsess over any of their many conspiracy theories? defacto7 Nov 2019 #21

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. He's also better looking than Trump's two older sons-
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:49 AM
Nov 2019

casting into doubt if Trump actually has "excellent genes."

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
2. They only want Hunter to go after his daddy.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:51 AM
Nov 2019

In true narcissism fashion, all narcs have a target. Right now, Joe Biden is the target. Narcs will go after everyone around you to get to you. My best friend's ex-husband is a malignant narcissist when she divorced him he went after their children, her parents, and her friends.

If Sanders, or Warren, or Yang was a threat to Trump's reelection, he would go after them. However, it's Biden who is his biggest threat so he is the one he goes after.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
6. Yes of course,
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:13 AM
Nov 2019

but why go after him through his son? That is the fuller picture I am pointing to.

If Biden is his opponent, having dirt on his son, even made up bullshit dirt, makes the real dirt on his own children just more "both sides" diversion.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
3. 45 does not care one iota about Hunter except to use him as a tool to frame Joe.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:53 AM
Nov 2019

Dragging down Joe Biden’s numbers in the head to head match up is all that matters to 45 in this mess. Everything else is a means to an end.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
4. only reason was to bring Joe Biden down in whatever manner
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:55 AM
Nov 2019

GOP greatest fear is Biden in 2020, the others not so much

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
7. yes
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:20 AM
Nov 2019

but the method of using his son was to counteract Biden pointing out how corrupt Trump's children are.

randr

(12,412 posts)
5. It is all about the optics
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:03 AM
Nov 2019

All they wanted was for the Ukrainians to say they are pursuing an investigation. Just like all they wanted from the Russians was to look for Hillary's emails. The appearance of wrongdoing is all they need to persuade their minions

Ohiogal

(32,006 posts)
8. And a slew of "both sides do it" headlines
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:20 AM
Nov 2019

from the msm

Because so many lazy people only glance at headlines and don’t read good journalism.

Ohiogal

(32,006 posts)
14. I have seen headlines such as
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:34 AM
Nov 2019

“What was Hunter Biden REALLY doing in Ukraine?”

“Will Hunter Biden be a liability to his father’s campaign?”

etc.

On mainstream sites that are not Fox

It’s so infuriating the way they try to stir up controversy with headlines like that. Ill informed people see them and it plants a seed of doubt.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
9. Hunter's mea culpa shows why it was important
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:21 AM
Nov 2019

I frankly don't like the relatives of powerful people who trade upon their name to get ahead in line. It isn't going to change how I will vote, but it does fit the narrative.

As with anything Trump whines about him and his family are far worse and even criminal in their behavior. As far as I can tell, the Bidens did nothing criminal.

Biden is probably my second or third choice. I think Warren and Sander's proposals are too extreme, but I will happily pull the lever of any of the three if my first and second choice don't make it to the nomination.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
11. Because it is all they got
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:24 AM
Nov 2019

They are trying to demonize Biden as corrupt as they did (with the media's help) with the Clintons.

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
12. I think there's something to that, but he's also throwing mud everywhere to see what will stick.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:24 AM
Nov 2019

It's the typical Goebbels playbook: "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."

His spawn is complicit and, in Biff's case, an active participant in his shady, sleazy 2016 campaign, so every other son or daughter must be guilty too.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
15. It's simple....
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:38 AM
Nov 2019

By casting suspicion on a Democrat's kid, they are targeting Trump's base. Trump's base is already primed to direct their anger at a Democrat... ANY Democrat, so if they can hang on the possibility of any Democratic impropriety, they will excuse Trump committing almost any crime.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
19. Your hypothesis makes sense to me
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:48 AM
Nov 2019

Not to mention, unlike Republicans, many Democrats do actually have concerns about "throwing stones" against the Republicans if there is a remote similarity to things our side can be accused of. The point is that various articles have suggested that some of the people working for the Obama administration were not happy with Hunter Biden's position on the board. It appears that they had no way to force him to step down and they were hesitant to approach Joe Biden at that time.

However, Joe Biden has already acted to counter that by saying that it would not happen in his administration. (Hard to know how that could be really be done if he has a VP or high cabinet officials with adult kids.) It does give Democrats "permission" to question whether Trump will make the same rule .. and actually follow it.

Not to mention, as the testimony showed, Trump himself has violated the emoluments clause as he still does benefit from his hotels -- and he BLATANTLY tried to have the G8 conference at his bedbug ridden, under the flight path to Miami resort.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
20. It's not that complicated.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

Trump's campaign sees Joe Biden as the biggest threat in 2020. They hoped to undercut his support by faking a scandal involving his kid, then linking Joe to the scandal.

No need to overthink this. It's likely not any more complicated than that.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. Why do they obsess over any of their many conspiracy theories?
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 12:06 PM
Nov 2019

Obama's birth certificate, Clinton's email etc...
Because that's all they have to keep their ignorant base drooling. Sensational lies are the only message they can use to draw attention away from the reality that they have absolutely nothing to offer.

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