During what is a House grand jury hearing, it is ILLEGAL to tamper with the grand jury's process!

[ancianita]

MF45 just committed two crimes at once.

The count: TWO new Articles of Impeachment in real time.

Keep it up, lil Donnie!

EDIT: Clarifying my post below:

Republican lawyers right there cannot lie about what they and Schiff saw in real time.
Schiff either already has, or will enter the attempted intimidation tweet into the Congressional Record.

These two real time crimes -- intimidation of a witness, and obstructing a grand jury process ( to do the first is to do the second) -- cannot be denied, defended or exonerated by anyone IN that chamber, or by any Senator watching that process and the evidence of the @realDonaldTrump tweet that Schiff has presented.

If Senate Republicans are watching this "process," and still exonerate MF45 on these articles in their trial, they will have committed the crime of perjury and obstruction of justice themselves.

[Pachamama]

1. 1) Witness Intimidation and 2) Obstruction of Justice

Keep on Tweeting Twitler....

The List of the Articles of Impeachment and ones that will be no brainers to prove and support, just keeps growing....

[ancianita]

2. And Republican lawyers right there cannot lie about what they and Schiff saw in real time.

He either already has, or will enter the attempted intimidation tweet into the Congressional Record.

These two real time crimes cannot be denied, defended or exonerated by anyone IN that chamber or watching that process and the tweet Schiff has presented.

If Senate Republicans are watching this "process," and still exonerate MF45 on these articles in their trial, they will have committed perjury.

[ancianita]

3. Here is the Law:

1721. PROTECTION OF GOVERNMENT PROCESSES -- OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE -- SCOPE OF 18 U.S.C. 1503

https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1721-protection-government-processes-obstruction-justice-scope-18-usc

[Voltaire2]

4. It isn't a grand jury.

It might be equivalent to a grand jury but it is not legally one.

[ancianita]

5. Tell us all what it legally" is, the if it precedes a Senate trial. Is that not "legally" a trial,

either? If you're going argue "legalese" about a constitutional process here, at least cite sources.

Impeachment is the governmental process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. This House hearing process is the equivalent to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the statement of charges against the official.

It's congressionally doing what grand juries do; then the impeachment vote is the decision to send the Articles of Impeachment -- the equivalent of a grand jury indictment -- to trial in the Senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

Whatever it is, it is constitutional.

[tritsofme]

6. That would be correct, impeachment is an entirely political, not criminal process.

The House is not a federal grand jury, the Senate is not a federal court.

If any laws were broken, it would definitely not be the one you cited.

[ancianita]

7. Are you saying no laws were broken? Or are you speculating? Can you cite any rules or laws

from any sites that back you up?

[tritsofme]

8. You cited a law that applies to federal grand juries.

Which is clearly not applicable here, it would be laws more specific about obstructing Congress, it is also clearly another potential article of impeachment, regardless.

[ancianita]

9. What is applicable, then?

[Voltaire2]

11. as noted it is a political not a legal process

so "applicable" in what respect?

Anything Trump does to obstruct the impeachment process could itself be an impeachable offense, but unless that obstruction breaks some actual law, it is not a legal offense, and to further complicate the matter, impeachable offenses need not be violations of law.

House Impeachment: not a federal grand jury.
Senate Trial: not a federal trial.

You are not the first to attempt to overlay federal laws with respect to criminal investigations, grand juries, and trials onto the impeachment process, but they aren't the same.

[ancianita]

12. I hear you. Yet. It is a constitutional process. So I'll call it that, then.

AND note that any laws broken that apply to intimidating witnesses under oath, or undermine a formal congressional impeachment proceeding, still apply in this non-legal constitutional process.

I'm with Chuck Rosenberg.

[ancianita]

10. Witness and process tampering law. If my law citations are incorrect, I apologize. Chuck Rosenberg

cited this law during a hearing break, after Schiff showed 45's tweet in real time.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512