***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 21 THREAD 3***

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread #2 here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212714008

[BumRushDaShow]

1. ****45 MINUTE RECESS FOR VOTES****

[CapnSteve]

2. Taking a break for votes...

Great stuff! The phrase that keeps coming to mind (regarding the GOP stooges): "Be careful what you wish for."

[BumRushDaShow]

4. LOL

They are so used to opposite world that they don't even know what they are "wishing".

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. The Republican time is going to be interesting.....

Who you gonna believe - Nunes or Hill? She killed the Republican argument and says that this country is under direct attack by Russia.

It is going to be an epic moment in our history.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. They'll just attach her as a

"furrrrnnnerrrr".

[crickets]

6. IKR? Both of today's witnesses are impressive, but Hill is the one who is going to

lay waste to any Republican attempts to push nonsense. Nunes will look and sound like even more the fool.

[Blaukraut]

7. They'll probably largely ignore her and go at Holmes n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Depends on who they want to throw under the bus

Sondland (and Holmes' descriptions) or Bolton (and Hill's descriptions).

[Autumn]

8. Hill is a remarkable woman. You know Trump is on the phone screaming he wants her fired.

[ConstanceCee]

12. Resigned

Hasn't she already resigned?

[Autumn]

16. I think you're right, but you know he wants to hurt her somehow.

[asiliveandbreathe]

26. Best I could find..I am sure more will be written...

The British-born Hill, who left her White House job shortly before the July 25 call but remained on the payroll into August, had advocated a tough U.S. approach on Moscow even as Trump was more accommodating toward Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Since it became clear Hill would be an important witness in the House impeachment hearings, she has been subjected to furious attack on hard-right talkshows and conspiracy theories on social media..

Now we can see why she was attacked..there is so much more we just do not know...

Timmyboy morrison, who replaced Fiona Hill, will NEVER be able to fill her shoes..oh..wait..he resigned...his closed door transcript, as I read, tried to throw Lt. Col Vindman under the bus, along with Hill..way above his intellect...

[crickets]

58. Thanks for the reminder - I forgot it was Morrison who replaced Hill. Pale in comparison to her. nt

[GilmourtheCat22]

23. Why does Devi Useless keep bringing up the Steele dossier?

I think the GOP goons are tipping their hand here. I think they've seen it and know it would be calamitous for trump et al... if even a little bit gets leaked and are trying to do an impromptu damage control so number fiirst.. think about or... what kind of activities would make his base turn on him? I. Believe the golden shower tape is a real thing. and it might not be female prostitutes helping don get his freak on. I'd say look for that shoe to drop soon. Probably in the next few weeks / months. It'll be so scandalous and demented that even from
Even Tom in Tallahassee and Otis in Ohio are going to have to get off the ride. On the other hand it'll fun watching the republick party twist itself in knots explaining how having boris and ivan pissiing on the presidential bed is another sign of trump's unconventional diplomacy skills and management style. Look for our friends at fox to advocate for a Nobel peace prize. "See, he loves America so much that he's willing to have a couple of oiled up cossacks urinate on him to prove it. Obama wasn't a big enough patriot to do this"

[asiliveandbreathe]

27. Best I could find..sure is more....

She has been subjected to furious attack on hard-right talkshows and conspiracy theories on social media, some pointing to the fact that she knows Christopher Steele, the author of the famous 2016 dossier alleging Trump’s collusion with the Kremlin, from a previous stint in government, in the National Intelligence Council.

Is it their, moones idea, to dirty her up at this hearing as well..she will make mincemeat out of them..

[BumRushDaShow]

35. The thing people forget about Steele

is that he isn't just some "private investigator" guy. He was in charge of the "Russia desk" for MI6 after 20+ years in the service before eventually leaving to form his own company. So he had decades worth of experience and expertise and most likely, contacts.

[asiliveandbreathe]

37. Yes, and good to note his bio..and not much of what he reported

has been discredited..if anything...the tapes are unknown ….

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Amazing they ignore everything else in there to focus on

the "salacious" stuff, despite the fact that his entire life has been "salacious".

[dchill]

127. Tipping their hand - drawing to an inside straight...

...and not playing with a full deck.

[The_jackalope]

10. These two are the most awe-inspiring witnesses I've ever seen

Holmes' memory is utterly jaw-dropping, eye-watering and mind-bending. His opening statement was long, but masterful.

And Dr. Hill appears to be made completely of high tensile steel, from tip to toe.

I bet (hope) the Republicans are out in back rooms shitting bricks.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Agree

Holmes' description of that outdoor restaurant (including the table configuration) and the lunch was amazing!

[bdamomma]

13. Just stopping to

see what is going on?? How has the testimony been going, repigs acting like jerks still.


Are the repigs still talking about the whistleblower, and other stupid crap.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Other than MooCow's opening statement, the GOP hasn't started their questions yet.

Both witnesses are detailed and devastating!!

[asiliveandbreathe]

33. I wonder if the nude pics has something to do with Christopher Steele

Not that she will put up with it..see my comments 26 and 27 above..they have been attacking her..supposedly for knowing Steele..

[crickets]

18. Hi bdamomma!

[bdamomma]

21. hi crickets!!!

I will be playing catch up tonite. I subscribe to Randi Rhodes I will definitely hear her take on all this later. One thing that has me pissed is Putin is pushing his propaganda that he's off the hook. I was so upset when I saw that thread yesterday.

[crickets]

24. I love Randi Rhodes. I haven't listened to her in a while - need to start again.

I hear you about being upset. The elephant in the room is treason - no one has said it yet, but it is there.

...Well, on that note - good to see you! Glad you stopped in to say hi.

[H2O Man]

15. Recommended.

I am loving today.

[crickets]

17. Fiona Hill's book on Putin

Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin (Geopolitics in the 21st Century)

From the KGB to the Kremlin: a multidimensional portrait of the man at war with the West. Where do Vladimir Putin's ideas come from? How does he look at the outside world? What does he want, and how far is he willing to go?

The great lesson of the outbreak of World War I in 1914 was the danger of misreading the statements, actions, and intentions of the adversary. Today, Vladimir Putin has become the greatest challenge to European security and the global world order in decades. Russia's 8,000 nuclear weapons underscore the huge risks of not understanding who Putin is. Featuring five new chapters, this new edition dispels potentially dangerous misconceptions about Putin and offers a clear-eyed look at his objectives. It presents Putin as a reflection of deeply ingrained Russian ways of thinking as well as his unique personal background and experience.

Looks interesting, gets pretty good reviews. (MSNBC were impressed.) Starts right off the bat with the retaking of Crimea. I haven't read very far but the style is engaging, which helps when dealing with a book this dense with information.

[backtoblue]

19. Beware Fox reading 2015 op ed by Hill

Saying she did not agree with lethal aid to Ukraine.


They're in frantic mode

[mucifer]

20. Because they had the same government in 2015 that they have now right?

[backtoblue]

22. Theyre grasping and I wouldnt be surprised if jacketoff yells about it

[crickets]

25. +1 That's the detail that is always left out. nt

[mucifer]

28. I am a doofus and I know that geez. It's gonna be an uphill battle

I hope we can win

[crickets]

31. We're on the same page. Fingers crossed. nt

[Roland99]

29. Wasn't that when Yanukovych was in power?

[mucifer]

30. sshhh! they don't want to know the truth

[backtoblue]

32. I believe so. Good point

Since the gopers get cues and propaganda from fox, I would expect them to jump on anything they can.

I REALLY hope Nunes' aid is exposed.

[mucifer]

34. PBS ran out of things to say so they are replaying the opening statements from today

[BumRushDaShow]

36. CSPAN3 literally just started a replay of Schiff's opening too. They will be resuming 12:45 pm ET.

[crickets]

39. MSNBC is still gabbing away. Most of it is fairly interesting.

I'm wandering in and out of the room, so ymmv. When they cut away to the debate pre-show last night, I switched to CNN. Turned the TV off within a minute or so, yeesh.

[Roland99]

40. I walked and got some coffee and back at my rather humble onsite abode at work

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Witnesses have returned to the room. About to get started.

[crickets]

44. Miscue. Members are not back yet so the witnesses are leaving again.

No nefarious intent suspected, just a timing error.

[Mersky]

42. Will start again any minute

[BumRushDaShow]

45. The witnesses just left the room again.

[Mersky]

47. Ah, heck, ok. Thanks for the heads up!

[BumRushDaShow]

43. I dont know what happened but the witnesses just got up and left again.

[crickets]

46. see my answer a couple of posts up.

It was explained by MSNBC that this was a genuine error, nothing hinky

eta - Ack! I wished they'd get going. I have to be at the dentist at 3, sigh.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. Okay.

What's funny is before they showed them first enter, CSPAN3 was showing a few members out in the hall talking including Peter Welch...so....

[crickets]

51. Oh, well I hope his press moment was productive! They are slowly getting seated now. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Schiff is in the room and seated so I guess they can come back in now.

[ArizonaLib]

50. One PBS analyst (female) describing Blagojevich prosecuted for far less

The republican stooge (male wearing a green tie) arguing that noone will care about these public hearings like noone cared about Mueller's reports. We all know there is a difference in willingness to act.

[crickets]

53. The "no one cares" meme is an attempt to push a false narrative imo. nt

[Mersky]

56. +1

[ArizonaLib]

59. Yes - it is one of the many things they are throwing at the wall

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[BumRushDaShow]

52. Take #2 - witnesses coming back into the room

[mobeau69]

54. here we go.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Schiff gavelling in. GOP. MOO MOO UP - MUTE ALERT

&feature=youtu.be

[Roland99]

57. Prepare for 45min of MOOnes spewing "facts" re: 2016 election

[Roland99]

60. Do you know Chalupa? No. Simpson? No. Bruce Ohr? No.

[Roland99]

62. Christopher Steele was your counterpart? Hill...yes.

[crickets]

67. Steele dossier. Here we go with attempts to discredit it

and to connect GPS Fusion and DNC to this. Backdoor to more 2016 CT.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. MOO back on Steele

[madaboutharry]

63. Nunes diving into Alice's Rabbit hole.

He is such an idiot.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

64. Cowpile Nunes is mooing softly about Steele

[Roland99]

66. Hill first saw it from someone from the Brookings Institute! hardly democratic deep state bs!

ah ha ha

[crickets]

70. *snerk*

[BumRushDaShow]

65. MOO handed off to Castor Oil

[Roland99]

68. His CT fishing expedition came up woefully lacking!

[BumRushDaShow]

71. It's the same old same old.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. cow piles can't operate a rod & reel -- no thumbs

[Roland99]

72. Castor being vague at first and focusing on minutiae

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

69. Nunes suggesting wild ass conspiracy theories

[mucifer]

74. I have it on MOOOOt . Are the witnesses eating them for lunch?

[Mersky]

75. Hushed moos

Basic facts of individuals involved chalupa nacho cheese isn't real cheese, Glenn Simpson Orr Orr or moo? Steele counterpart about when 2016 2009 don't care, same Brookings institution, quiet moo, quote dossier rabbit hole gps fusion? DNC? Don't know, ok. Am done, so moo.

Is he feeling ok?

[mucifer]

78. goldilocks and the 3 bears, too?

[Roland99]

76. Could Castor sound any LESS enthused about being there?

He knows there's nothing he can do. He might as well yield back the time.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. Castor is counting billable minutes in his head

[grantcart]

140. He probably figures he can get a roof and hot tub at his lake place just on

Today's BS.

[dchill]

116. Not without snoring or gagging.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. Castor trying to dismiss this hold as "routine"

(which it was not)

[ArizonaLib]

79. Intelligent, confident women scare the hell out of these dip headed republican men

I hope she someday decides to run for office as a democrat

[BumRushDaShow]

80. Hill - Sondland said that he was "in charge of Ukraine"

[crickets]

84. So far her tone is softer on Sondland than it was in her closed door testimony.

Interesting Castor acknowledges Sondland spinning his role wrt Ukraine.

[Roland99]

82. From NYT live analysis....

Katie RogersWhite House Correspondent
And now, Catie, the White House has weighed in. From Stephanie Grisham, the press secretary: “As has been the case throughout the Democrats’ impeachment sham, today’s witnesses rely heavily on their own presumptions, assumptions and opinions. These two witnesses, just like the rest, have no personal or direct knowledge regarding why U.S. aid was temporarily withheld.”

1:08 PM ET
Peter BakerPeter BakerWhite House Correspondent
Just to be clear, the White House hired Fiona Hill to give the president her presumptions, assumptions and opinions, among other things.

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Hill - Sondland told them that Drumpf told him his role was to "make deals in Europe"

[crazytown]

87. Let's make a deal!

[BumRushDaShow]

95. ...

[blaze]

85. Hmmmm

@CBSNews has learned this afternoon @realDonaldTrump is expected to have lunch with @MittRomney @SenatorCollins @ChuckGrassley @RandPaul @SenJohnHoeven @SenatorIsakson @SenatorLankford @SenCapito at the White House. @CBSNews

[crickets]

98. Looks like an arm twisting session. Thanks for list! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

86. She's bringing up her opinion piece...

[Roland99]

88. Destroying RW talking points about lethal weapons not being sent to Ukraine by Obama admin

as Ukrainian military THEN was not trustworthy but that is different now.

And still no one mentioning Javelins NOW canNOT be used against Russia!!!

[crickets]

94. +1 Thanks, I keep forgetting the Russia rule.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. She's clarifying the Obama reasoning that the GOP has refusing to acknowledge

(not wanting to "provoke" Russia)

[BumRushDaShow]

90. MOO ALERT - MUTE

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Holmes swatted away MOO MOO's CT bullshit.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

96. Moo-boy's arguments are always moot

[BumRushDaShow]

97. They are left with using the Democrats' strategy and terms as their own

[crickets]

91. She talks about sharply disapproving of the way Yovanovitch was treated,

and now discussing how there were two divergent foreign policy tracks in Ukraine. She talked to Hale & Sullivan about her concerns, etc. Castor is soft footing his way through this.

Now we're on to Javelins. Careful to point out that in the past Ukraine wasn't a good fit for them, but that her view changed in 2017 when she saw work & planning done over time. Still trying to get at Obama, and she is pointing out concerns re Russia.

He's softly stalking something and I am too slow today to get it. Somebody tell me what's going on...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

102. Castor is sure that the wascally wabbit is in there somewhere

[Roland99]

92. Broken Record MOOnes going after Holmes now with all the cavalcade of names re: Steele/FusionGPS

[madaboutharry]

99. Nunes next question:

Do you think it is appropriate to put pineapple on pizza?

[crickets]

103. Trying to put talking points into Holmes' mouth for a second there.

Hypocrisy on parade too.

[Roland99]

104. Astute observation from NY Times Live Analysis!!

Peter BakerWhite House Correspondent
While Republicans have repeatedly pointed out that at least some of the witnesses were offering only secondhand testimony, Nunes is now pressing witnesses to comment on his Ukraine theories even though they have no firsthand information about them.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

105. or, "Dr. Hill if you were concerned, why didn't you impeach the President?"

[BumRushDaShow]

100. Castor back qustioning

[Roland99]

101. In the movie, Holmes to be played by Joel Kinnaman (Repub opponent of Underwood in House of Cards)

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Hill talking about meetings and the cost (on taxpayer's dollars)

[Bayard]

107. Nunez on the Steel Dossier again

Lying again, the Clinton campaign hired Steel, ignoring that he was initially hired by a rethuglican. Asking both--do you think its appropriate for a political party to send an operative to another country to dig up dirt on a political opponent?

No concept of hypocrisy.

[crickets]

109. +1

[dchill]

108. "Refried confusion is making itself clear...

...Wonder which way do I go to get on out of here"

Right Place, Wrong Time - Mack Rebennack (Dr. John)

[nolabear]

112. +1 for the Doctor!

Always. ⚜️

[Roland99]

117. RIP, Dr...

[dchill]

122. No matter who he played with, he was the event.

[BumRushDaShow]

110. She's discussing Rachel's subject - the whole energy sector

and then mentioned "going back to Raygun" and on and on and his eyes glazed over.

[crickets]

120. I am so impressed by how she illustrates the need for career staff who carry through

from one president to the next. Depth of institutional knowledge is key.

[BumRushDaShow]

111. MOO MOO ALERT - MUTE (CT)

[Roland99]

114. Best of the Broken Record - Part Deux - more crap about Burisma payments to so-and-so and Biden this

and Biden that and blah blah

Holmes unaware of ANYTHING related to Burisma.

Merely just MOOnes reading shit into the record.

[nolabear]

113. Ah yes, the old statements-as-questions ploy.

[Roland99]

115. ayup

[The_Counsel]

119. Yup.

Just trying to get this lunacy on the record.

In about a hundred years, history students will be reading/watching/downloading transcripts from these proceedings and realizing: "oh, so THAT'S what an idiot sounds like!!"

[crickets]

123. Talking points, talking points, talking points, rah rah. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

118. Cow is done and handed back over to Castor.

[nolabear]

124. Her seems to be gassing out. A girl can dream, anyway.

[The_Counsel]

125. Sadly I Don't Think Ol' MooMoo Is Done...

Looks like he and stand-up comedian Castor are tag-teaming this CC trope....

[Mersky]

129. Meh, I missed a lot of that mooing

Weekday distractions occur despite these hearings. I’ll watch that section uninterrupted and give a moo summary after while.

[hibbing]

121. Push replay, Burisma, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden, Burisma

I am afraid this will hurt Joe, hate to say it, but it will be repeated ad nauseum just like Hillary's emails.


Peace

[BumRushDaShow]

126. ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 21 THREAD 4*** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212715168

[C_U_L8R]

128. Nunes and his little cow Castor

These two keep punking themselves with their own questions. The inadvertent blowback is hilarious.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

130. More crap from Nunes

[Wawannabe]

138. Bwaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaa!

Oh damn! Love it! Spot on!!!!!!

[elleng]

131. EXCELLENT!

Just got to TV (after dental appointment,) so just heard Dr. Hill explaining 'confusion' between her and Sondland.

[crickets]

132. Hill: No briefings because until recently Ukraine was not considered important then. Burn.

Also Hill showed sweeping condemnation of *any* government officials' nepotism - she didn't say it out loud, but there was a whiff of, "shall we talk about Ivanka, or Don Jr, or or..." Another burn.

I don't know that Castor realizes the knife keeps turning back on him.

[ArizonaLib]

134. agree

He is probably hearing cash register ka-chings and dollar signs dancing in his head.

[crickets]

133. Hill is devastating! Just nailed Sondland as domestic politics errand boy.

No wonder she couldn't get together with him re foreign policy - that's not what Sondland was there for.


Quick pivot - Burisma! Steele! Mueller!

[BumRushDaShow]

135. MOO MOO just passed over to GYMSUIT MUTE ALERT

[Mersky]

136. Good grief, Gym

[ArizonaLib]

137. Jordan probably noticed Ms. Nuner and Castor were getting tired

of thinking up crap out of thin air. Jordan voice sounds like he practices heckling in the mirror in the morning:

"YOU LIE!"

"CLINTON EMAILS!"

"NO COLLUSION!"

"IT'S OVER!"



...and so forth

[Bayard]

139. Jordan is dumb as a box of turnips

He rails on and on, and every time Holms tries to answer, he cuts him off. AND HE WON'T SHUT UP! I thought Schiff was going to hit him with the gavel.