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Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:26 PM Nov 2019

RESIST the calls for impeachment wrap-up in two weeks!!

Trump is calling for a Senate vote ASAP!

This means there is MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE criminality not yet exposed to public view.

They should not determine OUR investigation's direction!!

The more evidence, the more public opinion is moved toward removal from office.

No hurry. NO HURRY.

More witnesses, please!

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RESIST the calls for impeachment wrap-up in two weeks!! (Original Post) Grasswire2 Nov 2019 OP
That Means the Fix Is in in the Senate. The_Counsel Nov 2019 #1
Yes Rs want to get it over so they can start indicting Dems..... Pepsidog Nov 2019 #27
Has anyone seen DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #42
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #2
Reminder DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #23
One fact: guillaumeb Nov 2019 #25
yep Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #61
I agree. This is what happened with Mueller's investigation. MoonRiver Nov 2019 #3
Yeah. Soon we'll see Barr telling us what the verdict is, before any trial. Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #8
F Chuck Todd. Replace with Joy Reid or someone better. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #28
We don't need Barr DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #40
that just means dweller Nov 2019 #4
absolutely!! Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #6
He took a count of Senators today. kentuck Nov 2019 #5
I think the luncheon today was to shore up wobblies who might allow a vote on anonymous balloting. Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #7
A lot of Republican arms are going to be very sore by the time he has finished twisting them. kentuck Nov 2019 #10
Maybe he is hinting that Mnuchen will write them checks if they stay with him. Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #11
Accept?? bdamomma Nov 2019 #65
it doesn't matter to them, they've already won and they win more the longer it goes on 0rganism Nov 2019 #9
totally disagree Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #12
been to 538 lately? 0rganism Nov 2019 #13
What have they won? kentuck Nov 2019 #14
fair point, but i do think it will draw us further away from removing Trump in 2020 0rganism Nov 2019 #15
In my opinion, Democrats cannot surrender an inch or they will pay for it. kentuck Nov 2019 #17
agree, and it's awfully hard to do when an entire major party ditches the constitution 0rganism Nov 2019 #20
I'm coming to the conclusion that republicans know they're safe. They know that Democrats would catbyte Nov 2019 #31
How, exactly? frazzled Nov 2019 #16
This strategy? kentuck Nov 2019 #18
I'm afraid of that too Bayard Nov 2019 #21
I agree gratuitous Nov 2019 #19
I'm with all you have said. eom sprinkleeninow Nov 2019 #34
Some DUers are making the same demand StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #22
Again empedocles Nov 2019 #32
Exactly Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #50
I don't think all of them are being bamboozled StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #67
Trust Nancy Pelosi erlewyne Nov 2019 #24
Never let them run the messaging or the timeline! EVER! ancianita Nov 2019 #26
The party of traitors will want this wrapped up in two weeks. MontanaMama Nov 2019 #29
They know what they are doing SonofDonald Nov 2019 #55
I want to see the money trail. And all those pages of withheld evidence from DOJ & State Dept. TryLogic Nov 2019 #30
The traitorous GOP doesn't need to be convinced that Trump should be impeached & removed, hadEnuf Nov 2019 #33
there shouldn't be a time line one way or the other. There will be a fairly natural progression. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #35
I agree rockfordfile Nov 2019 #52
Yes. It takes as long as it takes. nt crickets Nov 2019 #63
Ignore the calls from the repubs to wrap it up! sprinkleeninow Nov 2019 #36
How about we let Pelosi and Schiff make the decisions? brooklynite Nov 2019 #37
Hmmmmm. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #41
yup.... dhill926 Nov 2019 #45
👍🏼 we can do it Nov 2019 #69
Ok...well only caught a second but think Coons on.cnn said same Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #38
The GOP has a systemic Russia problem. mjvpi Nov 2019 #39
I'd like to see the House vote on Articles of Impeachment to be taken in January. patphil Nov 2019 #43
Coons in CNN feared they'll call Hunter Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #47
But poll posted today said favoring Impeachment is down Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #44
what poll? nt Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #49
Emerson, but also Marquette 4139 Nov 2019 #54
So what. rockfordfile Nov 2019 #56
The poster asked "what poll" 4139 Nov 2019 #57
here's a much broader review of polls Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #58
Thanks ! But thought we were at 51? Regardless Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #62
And what did you expect? The Senate was never going to convict...I had real reservations about Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #46
Why I think they (gop Sens) will not seek to dismiss... SayItLoud Nov 2019 #48
Too many questions unanswered Ferryboat Nov 2019 #51
So many people have ignored subpoenas to testify mainstreetonce Nov 2019 #53
i want it to last a year! samnsara Nov 2019 #59
Move on! Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #60
I think there should bdamomma Nov 2019 #64
I read this that the resistance moving was calling to stop... Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #66
I want to wait longer before sending the impeachment to the Senate. backscatter712 Nov 2019 #68

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
1. That Means the Fix Is in in the Senate.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019

Someone--probably in the group that had lunch at the White House today--will move to dismiss and that will be that.

That's the plan.

IF it happens that way, someone should be removed from the Senate. And I don't mean "wait for the next election" either.

It sickens me that not enough of us is willing to put partisanship aside and follow the LAW for once....

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
42. Has anyone seen
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:13 PM
Nov 2019

Has anyone seen the ads being run by "Republicans for the Rule of Law".......A group of true Republicans running anti trump adverts?
Evidently, they even bought spots on Fox News.........

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
23. Reminder
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:20 PM
Nov 2019

A reminder that Clinton' impeachment took five weeks......all for a lie about a personal matter that didn't affect the nation or the U.S. internationally.

Republicans constantly harped that Clinton lied to congress.......HELL, Trump lies to them all day everyday for over three years.

The Republican Party has become the party of complete and un-ending hypocrisy...........

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
25. One fact:
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:23 PM
Nov 2019
Hearings opened on May 17, 1973, and the Committee issued its seven-volume, 1,250-page report on June 27, 1974, titled Report on Presidential Campaign Activities. The first weeks of the committee's hearings were a national politico-cultural event.

United States Senate Watergate Committee - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_Senate_Watergate_Commi...


13 months

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
8. Yeah. Soon we'll see Barr telling us what the verdict is, before any trial.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:50 PM
Nov 2019

RESIST THIS!!

Chuck Todd was running with it today. "Dems wrapping up by Christmas!"

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
40. We don't need Barr
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:12 PM
Nov 2019

I'll bet anyone a hundred bucks on how this will turn out when the Senate Republicans get a hold of it and vote.......

AND when the Senate Republicans vote it down, it will further embolden the Republicans to even greater scandals and corruption.

No matter who wins the Dem primary, for sure we can already guess who will "win" the presidential election.....with a little help from Putin of course.......

**********************************************

This whole massively corrupt Republican Party and Presidency will be remembered in history, but I fear the most memorable will be the day of the election, and the days immediately after the election.......

Either way, if the Dems win, it will be a nightmare of biblical proportions, if Trump wins, it will be cataclysmic......

Has anyone seen the ads being run by "Republicans for the Rule of Law".......A group of true Republicans running anti trump adverts?
Evidently, they even bought spots on Fox News.........

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
5. He took a count of Senators today.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:44 PM
Nov 2019

At this time, he probably has the votes to escape conviction, and might even have a majority of the Senate on his side?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
7. I think the luncheon today was to shore up wobblies who might allow a vote on anonymous balloting.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:48 PM
Nov 2019

Look at the people invited.

Wobblies.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
10. A lot of Republican arms are going to be very sore by the time he has finished twisting them.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

I guess that is something Americans have to accept?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
11. Maybe he is hinting that Mnuchen will write them checks if they stay with him.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:58 PM
Nov 2019

He does tend to snap his fingers to make that happen using the people's money.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
9. it doesn't matter to them, they've already won and they win more the longer it goes on
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

GOP reps succeeded in making the impeachment inquiry proceedings as ugly, divisive, and partisan as they are. they've managed to taint an entire constitutional process. the longer Democrats interact with it, the more of the GOP taint rubs off on them. this was the Republicans' best case scenario, given the facts of the case.

there was never a significant risk of the president being removal by the senate, so all they needed to do was make the proceeding as nasty as possible and let the media work its magic. if Democrats take the bait and draw out the hearings, it only exposes us to more of the same.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
13. been to 538 lately?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:05 PM
Nov 2019

looks like support for impeachment nosedived during the public hearings.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

for this to have any long-term beneficial impact for us, support really has to be over 50%.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
14. What have they won?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:07 PM
Nov 2019

Democrats cannot rely solely on the polls on something so important for our nation.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
15. fair point, but i do think it will draw us further away from removing Trump in 2020
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:12 PM
Nov 2019

our representatives, in the absence of a coherent electoral strategy, are doing the next best they can to honor their oaths of office, and i do appreciate that. maybe i'm overly focused on the end-game of removing Trump from the presidency, which looks like it's getting further and further away.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
17. In my opinion, Democrats cannot surrender an inch or they will pay for it.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:21 PM
Nov 2019

They must remain on the offense and keep Trump and the Republicans on the defensive.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
20. agree, and it's awfully hard to do when an entire major party ditches the constitution
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:29 PM
Nov 2019

Democrats try to uphold the Constitution while Republicans are more than happy to tear it down for $$$.

imho, we are in the deepest shit now.

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
31. I'm coming to the conclusion that republicans know they're safe. They know that Democrats would
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:38 PM
Nov 2019

never, ever nominate a despicable piece of shit like that thing currently infesting the White House so there's no fear of being faced with their own hypocrisy. It's the only explanation that makes sense besides the fear of their base.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
16. How, exactly?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:17 PM
Nov 2019

They are immune to everything: to facts, to public opinion, to ethics, and now even to our national security and the safekeeping of our very democracy. It’s inconceivable, but it’s true.

We knew this was the probable outcome from the beginning: the president will be impeached, and then a sham trial in the Republican- controlled Senate will fail to convict him.

I’m still very happy that we have done what we’ve done, for the public, the country, and for history. But unless something extraordinary happens, I’m afraid a real trial in the Senate is a pipe dream. I think there’s little we can do.

Bayard

(22,075 posts)
21. I'm afraid of that too
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:34 PM
Nov 2019

The more I see of rethugs in these hearings, the more they remind me of a pack of rabid dogs. Howling and frothing at the mouth. We won't have any control of that in the Senate hearing. I'm wondering if Justice Roberts can/will gavel them down.

They're not interested in facts or criminality, only staying in power. I don't see any, or maybe only a few, crossing over from the Dark Side. If the worst happens, tRump will be crowing about how Dems tried to remove him in this vast plot, and he prevailed. His rallies will be more toxic than they are now. Thinking of the prospects makes me despair for our future.

How reliable a source is The Hill?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471542-poll-finds-sharp-swing-in-opposition-to-impeachment-among-independents

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. I agree
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 07:28 PM
Nov 2019

Unless you're a blitheringly ignorant illiterate, you know that the Constitution grants the sole power of impeachment to the House of Representatives. Not Donald Trump. Not Mitch McConnell. Not William Barr. The House. Democratic Representatives should take every public opportunity available to point this out, and keep pointing it out. Tell the American people that, like them, your trust is in the Constitution. Quote Barbara Jordan, if it feels right: "My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total."

Besides, the House hasn't even drawn up, let alone debated or voted on, any articles of impeachment. Is this unseemly rush to get matters before the Senate an admission of guilt? Or is this public exercise of the Constitution hurting a certain political party? Why are Republicans afraid of the Constitution? Are they incapable of carrying out their oath of office? They should resign.

Until then, the House should keep its own counsel, and continue to run as it always has by majority rule.

MontanaMama

(23,319 posts)
29. The party of traitors will want this wrapped up in two weeks.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:33 PM
Nov 2019

If it takes longer than that, they’ll say impeachment can’t happen because it’s too close to the election. We can’t listen to their hysteria or let them control the narrative. I have faith that Speaker Pelosi will light the way.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
55. They know what they are doing
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019

And that they've thought this out well into the future.

They know what's at stake and that they can't fail.

We deserve no less and I'm confident that they have this dialed and dead to rights.

Makes me smile

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
30. I want to see the money trail. And all those pages of withheld evidence from DOJ & State Dept.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:34 PM
Nov 2019

Ukrainians made sweeping changes via the ballot box. In addition to impeachment, wouldn't that be nice here!!!!

hadEnuf

(2,191 posts)
33. The traitorous GOP doesn't need to be convinced that Trump should be impeached & removed,
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:39 PM
Nov 2019

the American people need to be. Convinced without any doubts left.

Trump and his sewer dwellers would like nothing more than to ramrod this thing through with an almost guaranteed acquittal by the senate so they can do their "vindicated" bullshit dance again and pretend it never happened.

The longer this goes on, the more evidence comes out. Keep their noses to the grindstone.

I would not be surprised if Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg in this mess.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
35. there shouldn't be a time line one way or the other. There will be a fairly natural progression.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:51 PM
Nov 2019

2 weeks or 2 months. let the process play out.

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
36. Ignore the calls from the repubs to wrap it up!
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:58 PM
Nov 2019

Keep it going, keep it on point, straight down the middle, not veering off to the left or right, steady as she goes.

Been praying my heart out over this for us Democrats and patriots to be victorious.

'He' may not be removed, but his place in the oval office damaged beyond restoration.

Dear God, You continue to hear my strong prayers. Hear and have mercy! Save us and our nation!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
38. Ok...well only caught a second but think Coons on.cnn said same
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:06 PM
Nov 2019

Talking to Erin B ...not moving needle, repuke senators won't even discuss,. Trump blocking witnesses...

mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
39. The GOP has a systemic Russia problem.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:07 PM
Nov 2019

From Trump to McConnel’s super pac. The President, the VP, Secretary of State, Secretary of Energy, the Attorney General and a whole lot of others who work for the aforementioned conspired to either promote the Ukraine conspiracy or cover it up. They should all be banned from participating in our government ever again, at the very least. Jail time for obstruction and lying to Congress. Then there is what happened with Russia in 2016.

I remember how things were swept under the rug after Reagan. Thanks, in no small part, to Barr. People like Elliot Abrams should have never been able to surface again in the guise of public service.

patphil

(6,180 posts)
43. I'd like to see the House vote on Articles of Impeachment to be taken in January.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

And the Senate trial to be held in February.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. But poll posted today said favoring Impeachment is down
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:16 PM
Nov 2019

Not saying listen to dingbat, of course, but a good strong organization always takes the temp on what they are doing. Remediates if necessary.

4139

(1,893 posts)
54. Emerson, but also Marquette
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:40 PM
Nov 2019

“ The latest national poll from Emerson College finds 45 percent oppose impeaching President Trump, against 43 percent who support it. That's a 6-point swing in support from October, when 48 percent of voters supported impeachment and only 44 percent opposed....

This is the second poll this week to show voters are increasingly likely to oppose impeachment, ....

A Marquette University survey of Wisconsin, a battleground state that Trump turned red in 2016 for the first time in decades, found 40 percent think the president should be impeached and removed, against 53 percent who do not think so....”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471542-poll-finds-sharp-swing-in-opposition-to-impeachment-among-independents%3famp

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
46. And what did you expect? The Senate was never going to convict...I had real reservations about
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:17 PM
Nov 2019

impeachment...but we had little choice. Trump is a criminal. We will be lucky to keep the house and win the presidency if impeachment opinion goes down really low...but we have time before the next election so fingers crossed.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
48. Why I think they (gop Sens) will not seek to dismiss...
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:26 PM
Nov 2019

tRUMP wants the talking/screaming points that "I was found innocent". Every rally, every photo op in front of Helicopter 1 will give him the platform that he wants. He's still screaming "No obstruction, No collusion, No nothing" after Mueller report contrary to the evidence.

Prepare for this, it's coming. Not ONE Senator will vote country over tRUMP base. Just sayin...

Someone, set me straight if you see it otherwise.

Ferryboat

(922 posts)
51. Too many questions unanswered
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:31 PM
Nov 2019

Rudy and Rick Perrys interest in the energy sector.

Parnes and Furman currently under indictment or investigation. What secret mission was "the big guy" sending them on?

What was Nunes doing overseas those two?

Let it sit awhile, no need to be hasty.

PS probably have the names wrong in regards to Nunes overseas adventure.

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
60. Move on!
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:49 PM
Nov 2019

Nothing to see here, peasant!

Are you resisting a direct order to move on?

Show me your papers!

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
64. I think there should
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:18 PM
Nov 2019

more testimony and more witnesses too.

Repigs like McConnell will not shove this under the rug, or that should be our que to push back hard.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
68. I want to wait longer before sending the impeachment to the Senate.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 12:11 AM
Nov 2019

Even if we can't get the GOP to do an about-face, go to the White House, and tell him they can't cover his ass anymore like they did with Nixon, we can make sure that if they decide to just lockstep it and acquit, that they'll make complete asses of themselves and utterly discredit the GOP for three generations.

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