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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump is not convicted, I fear he will go on an election fraud frenzy.
There will be nothing to stop him. Election fraud will be legal. It may be impossible for the Democrats to win the election.
If not convicted, I fear Trump will go on a vengeance rampage. He, with his disciple from hell Barr will investigate all those who investigated, testified against him. They will make up false investigations in order to destroy them and at the same time gaslight the American people.
The American people are playing a very dangerous game. The question is no longer should Trump be removed. Trump must be removed now. Not doing so is playing with fire.
My parents taught me at a young age not to play with fire, you will get burned. I guess many Americans did not have parents that taught them the simple facts of life.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)'Totally exonerated' .... see, it was a witch hunt just like i told ya'
Yes I can see the ads now
spanone
(135,873 posts)he will say that anyway
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)Does anyone truly believe, despite who ever wins the election we won't face a Republican Tyranny?
If you think these all out corrupt Republicans will just accept a democrat winning, just wait for the day after the election if a Dem is declared winner.........
If they were able to corrupt and win the 2000, 2004, and 2016 election, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Katie Bar The Door.........
The election, won't stop them. Their COUP is nearly complete and they won't back off until it is shoved up every one of our As***. Mark my words.............
If Trump illegally corrupts the voting and wins, they will celebrate.
If the Dems win, the group will declare the Dems corrupted the election, over ride the election and declare Trump the winner. Don't forget, he has the DOJ, Republican Senate, and the Supreme Court to help him.
Then they will also figure out a way to over ride the amendment on a president not serving for more than two terms and they will be off to the races. Next will be repealing the Posse Comatatus act and having the power to establish Martial Law. Etc Etc ETC......
napi21
(45,806 posts)what he's like, and they either love him or hate him. I honestly have never met anyone who said "AH, he's OK." Of course al the BS posts on Facebook & Twitter will drive US nuts, but they won't be changing anyone's vote.
walkingman
(7,660 posts)spell the end of their party (now the TRUMP party) so no matter what the evidence shows they will deny, spin, and do anything to continue this debacle. I truly fear for our Democracy. Even seeing the last 3 years of devastation to our enviroment, the denigrating of anyone that doesn't support Trump, and even the Religious people embracing probably the most vile person to ever occupy the WH - we are rapidly declining - the economy will come next and then watch out!!
I think this is the most important election in our nations history and be prepared for the GOP to do literally anything to maintain power.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)Truer words never spoken walking man.
It has taken them FORTY YEARS to get to this point. We ain't seen nothing yet compared to what they will be willing to do in the next 12 months to establish the Republican Tyranny. This is their lifetime wet dream about to happen........
Firestorm49
(4,037 posts)The question becomes, will there be enough damning evidence to convince voters to vote him out. Of course, this entire premise is based on a free democratic election.
We have never been closer to peril.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)and it's never stopped. Putin's strategy is to destroy our faith in our own elections, our courts, our government... anything that makes us strong and good.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Faced with the existential need to integrate, the Republican leadership decided to double down on white male power instead and can no longer win national elections without stealing them. In 2020 they're also faced with losing control of states after a long run of taking more every election, coming very close to the 2/3 needed to call a constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution, and what it means to be an American. I'm sure all this is a big part of how they came to make a deal with the devil.
They're desperate and very dangerous right now, but they've been planning for years to steal this election and those plans will go forward, and, who knows, perhaps some emergency contingencies. Remember, on top of everything else that's huge, this is the 10-year census and reapportionment election. And that a majority of the conservative half of the electorate wants them to do what they have to to win (and some few on the left as well).
― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)If they exonerate Trump after such a clear cut case with ample credible witnesses, evidence and logic, then they're compromised with Kompromat as much as Lindsey Graham and Bill Barr are.
That is all it is really going to tell us and what will decide the matter.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Voting to not convict doesn't make a Senator a "traitor"...a dumbass yes..not a traitor.
2 Democratic House members voted against the Impeachment inquiry...are they "traitors"?
radius777
(3,635 posts)which is overwhelming between the Mueller probe and the impeachment hearings, it is clear that Trump stole one election and was conspiring to steal another. He's subverting democracy before our very eyes, and anyone who enables that is no patriot.
triron
(22,020 posts)triron
(22,020 posts)Kaleva
(36,342 posts)and we'll see the largest protests in American history.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)As long as a new episode of Keeping Up With the Kardashians is on the air, you won't be able to pull your average American away from his or her TV set.
And as for the 35% of this country that loves and worships this biblical beast, they will be stumbling through the rubble and eating out of trash cans, and they will still be muttering "lock her up... lock her up..." through cracked, bleeding lips.
Kaleva
(36,342 posts)DFW
(54,436 posts)Nixon had his Dirty Tricks Team (Fox Noise icon Roger Ailes was one of the last surviving members), and its success has been taken to higher and higher levels ever since. Every close presidential election since then (as well as 2016, which was nowhere near close) has been tipped to the Republicans under dubious circumstances. Only overwhelming numbers bring a Democrat into the White House, as Republican electoral fraud has been honed to a fine science.
"It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."
And so they did. A rare moment of Republican candor.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Remember, he fired Comey which led to the Mueller probe.
He was pushing for dirt on Biden, which led to impeachment hearings.
Basically, it is good politics to trigger the orange clown, as his reactions are usually illegal and politically bad for him.
Now, voter suppression/theft we must be vigilant about, but he was going to try that anyway.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)any longer. Other than the tedious legal route, there is no enforcement mechanism. It really is up to the Republicans to remove Trump. There's an outside hope we might get help from our intelligence community (perhaps in conjunction with help from the intelligence agencies of our allies) in preventing mass fraud and outside influence. We need more whistleblowers--constant streams of whistleblowers and urgent legal actions.