Horowitz testifies about the FBI report: Thread # 1

[SamKnause]

Cry baby Lindsey starts off the whine fest.

[spanone]

1. Graham has certainly made up his mind. He might as well go home after his opening statement.

[democratisphere]

6. Leningrad Lindsey is the judge, jury and executioner in deciding

that the FBI IS guilty as sin. Protecting the drumpf crime organization at all costs!

[riversedge]

11. I came in late and have only listened the last 5 minutes or so but I do believe this

so called Senate hearing is going to be brutal with Lindsey in charge. damn

[crickets]

20. Agreed. He's so excited to shout out the agitprop he's dancing in his seat. nt

[democratisphere]

21. More of same. The investigators are guilty and the criminals are innocent.

Leningrad Lindsey's voice is cracking under the pressure and stress of lying through his teeth!

If it looks like a shoe, acts like a shoe and talks like a shoe, it ISN'T a shoe.

[dbonds]

2. Hard to even watch Lapdog Lindsey do his spin.

How does he expect to be taken seriously ever again?

[True Blue American]

5. I saw his face was red

Before he even started. Knew he had worked himself into a massive rage. He is losing it,too!

Horowitz looking at him like,” Are you kidding?” McCain would disown this petty shell of a man

[Raven123]

3. Lindsey wonders why the guy who hired Manafort wasn't notified about the Russians?

Laughable, if it weren’t so important.

[Kid Berwyn]

18. Trump camp was notified.

Moscow Mitch told FBI to fuhgeddaboudid.

[SamKnause]

4. Fucking blowhard Lindsey is still whining.

[True Blue American]

7. Lindsey forgets he

Was saying the same thing about Trump.

[octoberlib]

8. Lindsay's contention that if the FBI had notified Trump of the people with Russian ties

in his campaign , he would have fired them immediately. Pretty sure Trump knew and saw it as a plus.

[Raven123]

26. Just like he fired Flynn, right ? Lindsey is pathetic

[rzemanfl]

38. He knew it and couldn't have done anything about it if he wanted to.

Putin owns him.

[The_Counsel]

52. I'll Say It Again: Lindsay Graham Is a Fuckin' Idiot.

Trump didn't make moves to fire Russian assets like Manafort and Flynn until the MEDIA got a hold of the information, and by virtue the people. Other than that, it was all cool.

Lindsay knows that.

He's still a fuckin' idiot, though...

[H2O Man]

9. He is shameless.

[malaise]

31. You think?

[H2O Man]

49. Right.

I'm thinking back to early 2018. I'm pretty sure that you and I discussed the possibility -- actually, probability -- that Carter Page was a double-agent. A few weeks later, I remember Malcolm Nance addressing that same thing. I'm quite likely to zip off an OP this afternoon.

Thus, that punk Lindsey is exploiting this .....he knows, and he knows that others on the committee know, but can't say anything about this. But Graham has completely blown any cover Page used to have. Fucking asshole.

[crickets]

54. I look forward to that OP. nt

[H2O Man]

63. I've got to

do a few errands first. People who walk or drive by me will likely wonder why I'm talking to myself! What Graham did this morning is the lowest of low blows, and the cheapest of cheap shots.

[crickets]

12. Thanks for starting this thread.

Lindsey went on mute right away. In only two or three minutes, I can't believe how many times he's pointed and shaken his finger. So rude.

[SamKnause]

14. You are welcome.

I have to force myself to listen to their lies.

[Yavin4]

13. Man, if you've read my private texts aloud about my bosess...

I would look bad as well.

[fleur-de-lisa]

16. Wouldn't we all!!!

[dewsgirl]

15. This helps the hearings go down a little better.

Link to tweet

[spanone]

17. Mr. Graham is making some serious fucking accusations.

He's beside himself.

[Siwsan]

19. I've got him on mute but it looks like Lindsey forgot to take his meds, this morning

That's a whole lot of red faced flailing. I think they should monitor his BP, throughout his 'presentation'.

[dem4decades]

24. Ari on MSNBC just put him on mute too. hahahaha

[CrispyQ]

82. Imagine if HRC had behaved this way.

We need to dust off that graphic from a few weeks ago with HRC/Yovanovitch/Hill all cool & collected during their hearings, & then Graham/Kavanaugh/Jordan screaming & frothing at the mouth. Or maybe it was three different men. Doesn't matter. You can insert the unhinged, hysterical, GOP man of choice.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

95. will this one do?

[CrispyQ]

100. Excellent! !

[Raven123]

22. If we are to believe Lindsey

We should not trust him to support Trump in good faith because he criticized Trump in the past. Got it.

[SamKnause]

23. Lindsey acts like he is putting on a 1 man play.

He is so disgusting and vile.

He has zero redeeming qualities.

[spanone]

27. Trump must be so proud of lindsey.

[bluestarone]

25. Am i wrong here

Isn't it UNUSUAL for the senate to have an OPEN hearing? ( i know the reason tho)

[tishaLA]

28. "Golden Shower" is now part of the congressional record

for all time. Congrats, Lindsey

[SamKnause]

29. How long does this blowhard get to spread his bullshit ???

Does he have unlimited time ???

[mopinko]

30. i'm laughing my ass off here. i had to pause at the beginning to feed the chickens, so

i watched a few minutes, then ff'd. he looks just like the chickens.

[Maraya1969]

35. Oh please don't talk that way about your chickens.

[mopinko]

85. well a few are in the last stage of their molt, so

they look pretty raggedy right now.

and tho i love them dearly, i must admit that they are only slightly smarter than lindsey.

[crickets]

32. One thing he did get right, and it's interesting he did this:

Lindsey pointed out that it was Russia and not Ukraine who interfered with the 2016 elections, Russia and not Ukraine who hacked the DNC emails. I wonder why he would make a point of saying that.

Of course, he failed to mention the RNC emails were hacked at the same time.

[SamKnause]

36. I questioned that as well when I heard him say that.

I also wondered why he didn't mention the RNC emails were hacked.

Maybe one day we will get to read the RNC emails.

[Skidmore]

33. Is Amy Klobuchar there for this?

She and Kamala Harris are the strongest questioners.

[octoberlib]

41. I thought I heard Chuck Todd say she was there.

[Hassler]

34. As soon as I turned it on, Lindseed was red faced and jabbing the air.

Then I turned it off. Has he done his tearful Judge Boof soliloquy yet?

[SamKnause]

39. He is still running his lying mouth.

He has been flailing around.

His face has been red on several occasions.

He is just sickening, absolutely sickening.

[Maraya1969]

37. You started this thread at 10:11. It is now 10:45 and his mouth is still moving.

I can't even listen to it with him grandstanding like this. They should give him a little theater on a backstreet in Washington and let him play act like this.

[SamKnause]

40. Finally, he closed his lying mouth.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

42. What's Horowitz saying?

Caught a Fox News banner in a restaurant saying that he said: "Crossfire Hurricane" Team failed to meet basic obligations on FISA Warrant Applications



This is why, of course, the FISA Court approved the warrants, right?

[SamKnause]

45. He hasn't spoken yet.

Lindsey just finished.

Feinstein is talking now.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

46. So, they were likely cherrypicking something he said in the report?

They even showed a picture of him(?) being sworn in? This was a whole hour ago that this was up on their screen. Wow.

[SamKnause]

56. I am watching a live stream from the Washington Post.

He has testified before.

That could be where the picture came from.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

58. Ah. Very clever

So, this is how Fox News plays its viewers. Me, not knowing better with the TV just running in the background, was wondering if this is something that was actually being said live at the time.

[SamKnause]

76. I think the testimony of Horowitz, so far today, has been very damaging to our side.

The FBI lied and hid documents from the court.

Documents were altered.

Horowitz went down a long list of all the FBI fuckups.

I think Carter Page has a good chance of winning a lawsuit.

[riversedge]

43. how long was Lindsey's vile Rant?? over half hour is my guess. He needs a nap now.

[crickets]

44. Dianne Feinstein is up - competent but boring

She's earned her place to do this, but public speaker she is not.

Now one of the reasons for Lindsey's clown act is clear: at least he was animated and entertaining to watch.

[SamKnause]

48. She is extremely boring.

I disagree about Lindsey.

I find nothing about him entertaining.

He makes me want to puke.

His hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[getagrip_already]

47. Remember ladies and germs, Lindsey will be the head honch during impeachment on the presidents team.

Won't that be special?

[The_Counsel]

62. How Can That Be? He's Supposed to Be a Juror...

Don't get it twisted: I wouldn't put it past that crooked bunch to try it, but it would be the very definition of "conflict of interest..."

[getagrip_already]

86. Juror, yes, but also

a manager. Judiciary will likely chair the trial. It's unlikely it will be in general session until it comes time to vote. I think that's how they did it with clinton.

[The_Counsel]

90. Managers are Appointed by the House, Though...

Wouldn't make sense for Graham to be a Manager in a trial in which he should be a juror. That would be one less vote to acquit.

Graham was a Manager in the Clinton trial, but that was before he was elected to the Senate.

[crickets]

50. Glad Horowitz pointed out there's a 19 page summary of the report.

Unfortunately, it is the first 19 pages of the 476 page report and does not seem to be available separately. Still, good to know.

[awesomerwb1]

51. I am worried we don't have a Swalwell

type person to represent us there.

[SamKnause]

53. Is it just me, or does this sound like a major cluster fuck ???

I don't think this sounds good for our side.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

59. I'm not able to watch

but how so?

[Mike 03]

61. Yeah, THIS, basically.

[SamKnause]

71. Horowitz said the FBI lied and intentionally hid information from the courts.

He is laying it out step by step.

From what he has said so far, it sounds like Carter Page will win if he sues.

I don't know how anyone could listen to this and think it benefits the Democratic party.

The republicans are telling their usually lies but that doesn't take away from what Horowitz

has testified to so far.

I hope you can watch the Horowitz testimony.

It will be available on YouTube.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

74. Doesn't that contradict his report though?

That the FBI got their warrants lawfully even though some "mistakes" were made? And FWIW I wouldn't expect that the hearing- held by the Senate and Lindsey Graham- would be favorable to us. Hopefully, some Democrats will do some good cross.

[getagrip_already]

89. it is just taking points out of context...

He said in the report the flaws were serious in nature, but didn't impact the overall direction or validity of the process. So even though information may have been hidden, it wouldn't have impacted the effort if it weren't. But the act is still serious.

Of course its going to be blown out of context.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

92. Errors are errors

but, yeah, I fully expect Republicans, et. al to seize upon them and spin them way out of context. They will argue the minutiae of the matter because it's all they got and I suspect that Horowitz was hard pressed to dig as deep as he could to find *something* to please Trump.

[Mike 03]

60. IMO, we've had better hearings.

Graham is totally dominating it, and the witness lacks conviction and sounds like he wants to please Graham.

[crickets]

79. They've been very chummy. It's disturbing that a hearing this important hit that note. nt

[spanone]

55. Lindsey on DJT

[Raven123]

57. Horowitz opens with a strong critique of the FISA applications. Politicizing it made no sense

[Satch59]

64. Lindsay is just vile...

His grandstanding opening...his lies...now his smug expression as he asks a question getting a gotcha answer...ugh!!! Let’s get past Feinstein who really isn’t so forceful and get some good Dems getting to the truth...

Someone wipe his smirk off...

[Arkansas Granny]

65. I'm with you on this one.

[nolabear]

66. Lindsey is doing a one man show. The snark and drama are overpowering.

He’s got “I’m gonna getcha!” all over his face. He has no serious interest in getting to the truth.

“Here’s what I’m trying to tell you...” re a question. No kidding. He’s not asking.

[spanone]

68. He's just giddy!

[Mike 03]

72. Exactly what he's doing.

He's a human lawnmower, razing this guy to blades of grass. It's hard to listen.

[Mike 03]

67. Graham: "There's a mountain of misconduct. Please don't ignore it."

But he doesn't ask a question or allow the witness to respond. Graham owns this guy.

It's up to our Democrats to somehow redeem this hearing. They better show up.

[Boxerfan]

69. Horowitz is giving Lindsey the soundbites he needs...

It is not good for us as they will cherry pick this & nothing else will be heard-by RW media.

We can stand on the truth that he is protecting a Russian asset & nothing less than a treasonous bastard.
But yeah Horowitz is giving him ammo for days.

[OhNo-Really]

70. Lindsey is creating fuel for Fox clips.

Is this whole report just about Carter Page?

[Mike 03]

73. And Peter Strzok and Lisa Page...

[The_jackalope]

75. It sure sounds like the FBI screwed the pooch on FISA...

Its sure too bad it plays into the Republican narrative, but I trust Horowitz with the facts.

[Mike 03]

77. Feinstein up

[Ninga]

80. Her questions are surgical. And

meaningful.

[crickets]

84. Her followup is good.

She doesn't seem to be allowing any tendencies to sidestep her questions.

[Mike 03]

88. Very good.

Her professionalism and precision expose the idiocy of Graham's showboating.

Leahy made headway too.

[OhNo-Really]

78. Horowitz: Barr & Durham offered no facts to support the FBI Trump spying

No one from FBI spied on Trump

[SamKnause]

81. Horowitz states FISA not used properly.

[OhNo-Really]

83. Horowitz: No Obama spying on Trump

Confidential Human Sources was not politely motivated


Recommended changes:
CHS needs higher level of supervision in a political campaign

No one gave interviews

Dangers - A 500 page report about not publicly made until end of investigation

Strok Page attack’s by Trump

Page did not play a role in opening of Trump Russia investigation.

Strok was low level.

Decision had factual basis.

Others at FBI employees expressed support for Trump

Note: concern re text messages. Connection to views & role in investigation.

FISA not used properly.

[Mike 03]

87. Feinstein and Leahy did well.

Leahy got the witness to admit there were no "spies" planted in the Trump campaign.

Grassley now...

[Sunsky]

93. I think so too

Feinstein surprised me. She was very methodical in her approach. I thought she would be drowned out by the Graham clown act.

[crickets]

94. Leahy disappointed me. He and Feinstein both asked about Deep State

accusations and Horowitz weaseled a sidestep each time. Feinstein pressed him for a more direct answer and got it, mostly, but Leahy let it go right on by. Frustrating.

[OhNo-Really]

98. Also wish they asked IG opinions instead of

Lobbing long statements before asking an easily yes or no answer from IG

Both sounded tired & listless it saddens me to say. I’m a long time Leahy fan so again sad to criticize.

Our Country is at stake for heaven’s sake. Use TV to help counter the GOP conspiracies.

Dems have to be more energized & crisp

[SamKnause]

91. Recess until !:00.

[crickets]

96. Thread #2 link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212771513

[SamKnause]

97. Thanks for adding the link.

[elleng]

99. Thanks for this, Sam;

just started listening, so will try to catch up from here.