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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is no proof that Iran is behind the protests in Iraq
The Iraqi people want the illegal invaders and occupants out of their homeland.
You can't cheer on Hong King and condemn the protests in Iraq.
The protests in Iraq have been going on for months. They only reached the US embassy because of the Con's airstrikes on the weekend.
Pay attention and do not let Don the Con or the neo-con media hacks confuse you.
braddy
(3,585 posts)would not dismiss Iran from this.
gab13by13
(21,368 posts)the Houthis in Yemen are also pro-Iranian.
We killed Iraqis, we didn't kill Iranians.
braddy
(3,585 posts)we have been enduring this year. The Iranians are very active in this form of warfare.
I'm not ready to believe that this is just mourners demonstrating.
gab13by13
(21,368 posts)The solution to Iraq, which is majority Shia, is to bring back Saddam Hussein from the dead. Put the blame where it belongs, Dick Cheney invaded Iraq and killed the leader of their country which put Iraq in turmoil.
If we want Iraq to become a democracy then why wouldn't the majority, the Shias, have majority control?
FBaggins
(26,751 posts)I'm sympathetic to the notion that anything Trump does must be the opposite of what should happen... but your post is internally inconsistent.
How could the "solution" for majority-Shia Iraq be to bring back a Sunni dominated regime that brutalized the Shia?
gab13by13
(21,368 posts)that the Shias are the majority in Iraq and Trump is conflating being Shia to being Iranian. Iraq is its own country, so what if the Shias in Iraq are pro-Iranian? Why does that give Trump the right to kill Shias?
ewagner
(18,964 posts)My understanding is that Iraq is majority Shia but Saddam was Sunni and discriminated against the Shia....hence the constant resentment AND the brutal war with Iran.
Is that accurate?
KG
(28,751 posts)war would be a great diversion from impeachment and could juice up the economy as well.
does that really justify death and destruction.
Grokenstein
(5,726 posts)/snark
Happy New Year to you and yours
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)It would be okay with me if the whole of the Middle East nations and Europe
too were behind the protests. The whole world knows that the USA
committed a horrible crime by invading Iraq in the first place. Lie
after lie led to the "shock and awe" and the hundreds of thousands of
deaths and refugee crises.
Recommended.
gab13by13
(21,368 posts)of pro-Iranian militias in Iraq because the fucking country is majority Shiite. Are we giving the ok for Trump to wipe out all of the Shia militias in Iraq? That's a lot of people. As a matter of fact Trump had better start worrying about the 5,600 troops we have in Iraq who are outnumbered by those militias. Trump had better start worrying about the embassy employees who are huddled in safe rooms right now.
Trump had better start worrying about the troops we have in Syria also, because they are outnumbered by Shia militias.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Nothing else.
Martin Eden
(12,872 posts)This ignorant narcissistic sociopath has zero concern about anything other than feeding his own ego, lust, and greed.
If Iraq descends into a worse region of hell than the one Bush 43 plunged it into, IMPOTUS 45 will simply spin false narratives to blame Iran and make himself look good.
Unfortunately, bootlickers and warmongers will back him up.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)The Saudis have the money he wants. They've bailed out Jared and they have deals going with Trump...
and
the Saudi's are Sunni...not Shia....Iran is their mortal enemy so that's what's pushing Tump...Saudi money = protecting Saudi interests.
brewens
(13,599 posts)why it is available to Trump. Before Benghazi, no previous president had felt a unit like that was necessary.
gab13by13
(21,368 posts)defending our embassy. I have a problem with Trump and the MSM conflating people who are Shias with being Iranian. The US picked a side during the surge, we allied ourselves with the Sunnis, why else would we have troops protecting Saudi oil fields?
Aussie105
(5,412 posts)is so convoluted, and so open to misinterpretation and misinformation from the US itself, that no one knows what is going on.
Personally, I believe that US boots on foreign soil are a bad thing. I challenge the US government to come out with a clear list of positive reasons for the expenditure of US government money and putting US personnel in harm's way.
HissyFit
(12 posts)I cannot help being quite pessimistic about 2020. News reports here on this bright, sunny New Year's Day are troubling. I have several family members on active military duty, so this growing unrest in Iraq is very disturbing. Our continued military presence in that country just ensures more unrest. More U.S. troops heading to the Middle East... Heart wrenching pictures out of Australia. Clemson is in The National Championship game again, and Agent Orange is still President...and this is only Day 1.
Maribelle
(4,783 posts)But what a tangled mess he weaves when all the while he attempts to deceive!
Vinca
(50,288 posts)on the campaign trail. It appears he's settled on Iran. It doesn't seem to phase him that he's picking on a rattlesnake.
modrepub
(3,496 posts)It's pretty easy to understand why the Shiites in Iraq would roughly align with Iran based on their common form of Islam. The Saudis have generally held the flag of the majority Sunni branch of Islam by their control of the Holy cites of Mecca and Medina and have always expressed their hatred of Shiite factions in the ME. Trump has openly shown which side of this religious battle they prefer (but note nary a mention that the Islamic State expressed their preference to the Wahhabi strain that the house of Saud openly supports). This administration doesn't seem to understand, and neither do most American politicians as far as I can tell, that they may be supporting the more extreme faction of Islam via their support for the House of Saud (remember which brand of Islam the people who flew the planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon followed).
ewagner
(18,964 posts)gab13by13
(21,368 posts)Trump doesn't know the difference between Sunni, Wahhabi, and Shiite. What Trump knows is that the Saudis spent/spend a lot of money buying space at Trump Tower, SA put Trump Tower in the black, and the Saudis let Trump touch the glowing orb. Why else do we have troops protecting Saudi oil fields?
What bothers me is that pretty much every Shia in Iraq is most likely pro-Iran, but does that give Trump the right to kill them?
crickets
(25,981 posts)superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)illegal corrupt persons in the WH, off the hall pentagon personnel, unpatriotic Republicans, are doing that same damn thing that the last fucked up Republican administration did, and once again using Iraq, this time moving forward to strike Iran. There was a reason for all the military build up in Saudi Arabia.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)I have this uneasy feeling this might have something to do with BOLTON! He is and has been one of the biggest hawks when it comes to Iran.
I can see the tRump folks stirring up Iran trouble to maybe appease Bolton and get him to think well maybe just maybe this could be the start of my dream best stay mum on what I know about Ukraine.
How's that for starting off the NEW YEAR with a conspiracy theory...... or not.
malaise
(269,092 posts)Bomb Iran and I'll keep quiet
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Fat Nixon says Iran is behind it, but EVERYTHING he says is a goddamn lie. I wouldn't put it past him and his thugs to stage their own version of the Gleiwitz Incident, just so they have an excuse for a wag-the-dog war with Iran.
roody
(10,849 posts)that the news stories are not trustworthy.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)malaise
(269,092 posts)are not about Iraqi nationalism is sad but comical.
Joe Scum is back to his true self.
Happy New Year
Sewa
(1,256 posts)It was used in almost every sentence that was spoke in the first segment
malaise
(269,092 posts)Happy New Year
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)U.S. news media seem to operate under the assumption that the U.S. "owns" Iraq - it can't conceive of Iraqis as autonomous actors in their own land.
malaise
(269,092 posts)You mean this planet and the universe itself
Aristus
(66,409 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)mathematic
(1,439 posts)Those protests were not sectarian and not aimed at the united states. I heard this directly from participants in a gathering of people from the middle east or with family from there that was raising awareness of the iraqi protests.
Why do you believe that the iraqi protests over the last few months have been directed at the united states? Is this just a general anti-american bias or have you been talking to iraqi immigrants too?
malaise
(269,092 posts)You are correct - nowhere then or here did I say that the Iraqi protests were directed at the United States. The attacks on the embassy were a direct response to the killing of Iraqis by US forces during an air strike a few days ago.