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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,037 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:10 PM Jan 2020

Congressman Ted Lieu Accuses Trump Of Stock Market Fraud And Opens Investigation

The House of Representatives may soon be able to add a new high crime and misdemeanor to the growing list of articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump.

Specifically, Trump is suspected of manipulating futures on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange by making statements that allowed investors to turn billions of dollars in profits, some of which may have directly benefited Trump and members of his family, according to a blockbuster report from Vanity Fair:

In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”—electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.”


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These and other suspicious market moves tied to statements from Trump are now under the microscope thanks to two Democrats in the House, Reps. Ted Lieu (CA) and Kathleen Rice (NY), who have written letters to multiple federal agencies, Common Dreams reports:

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Congressman Ted Lieu Accuses Trump Of Stock Market Fraud And Opens Investigation (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 OP
BOOM! Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #1
lord I hope BOOM! rurallib Jan 2020 #26
Kick dalton99a Jan 2020 #2
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jan 2020 #3
Let me help you out there ck4829 Jan 2020 #25
I'm in, as well. 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #34
So am I. And joyfully so! calimary Jan 2020 #38
Yep. The public already figured this out. underthematrix Jan 2020 #4
Maybe a few of the public... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #60
and muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more to come Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #5
Oh wow. Here we go. This is a good one. Lexee Jan 2020 #6
I already know the media's response gratuitous Jan 2020 #7
Or democrats need to focus on getting legislation (bipartisan) passed. triron Jan 2020 #20
McTurtle wont allow that. rickyhall Jan 2020 #27
Mitch Will Stop All Legislation Don't Show Up For Confirmations Without Moving Forward On Bills DanieRains Jan 2020 #32
That was exactly my gut reaction. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #73
Drip, Drip, Drip. 42bambi Jan 2020 #8
More like plop, plop, plop. If this is true (and I think it is), this is much pigger. erronis Jan 2020 #11
What took them so long? BlueIdaho Jan 2020 #9
Yes, but how to prove he's doing it to benefit certain people robbob Jan 2020 #57
Difficult to prove for sure... BlueIdaho Jan 2020 #59
Yes, he is. I wonder how many of his buddies sneak off to buy/sell in advance of his so... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #10
Some people need to start singing soon. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #12
October Roy Rolling Jan 2020 #13
This makes me smile Bettie Jan 2020 #14
Trumps goose is cooked this time! Bonx Jan 2020 #15
Holy SMOKEs mahina Jan 2020 #16
K&R fleur-de-lisa Jan 2020 #17
I hope they find enough evidence of this IronLionZion Jan 2020 #18
The whole China Tariffs ON/OFF switch seems ripe for investigation too bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #19
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #69
Impeachable offense. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #21
THANK YOU, reps Lieu and Rice Auggie Jan 2020 #22
I've been watching 3 years of this manipulation bullshit. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2020 #23
K&R ck4829 Jan 2020 #24
Nail him to the wall! pandr32 Jan 2020 #28
Good! Get 'em! Mersky Jan 2020 #29
Thank you, Lieu and Rice cp Jan 2020 #30
He has been doing this since day one Cosmocat Jan 2020 #31
&Trump used to do it in NYC: buying up a stock, then indicating he was buying that company. stuffmatters Jan 2020 #35
When I get my retirement SCVDem Jan 2020 #33
i got a fat 401k in my divorce. i bit the bullet and paid the taxes so i could get the money mopinko Jan 2020 #41
And that is how he hopes to destroy America. calimary Jan 2020 #46
I choose to avoid Republican SCVDem Jan 2020 #48
Are they saying Trump knew Iran would attack hours before? ArcticFox Jan 2020 #36
But if proven wouldn't the traders be the ones who committed the crime? Kablooie Jan 2020 #37
Thank you Reps. Lieu and Rice! smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #39
Would Trump do something like this? Yes. BKDem Jan 2020 #40
This crapola has probably been going on since the traitor got into office................ turbinetree Jan 2020 #42
K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #43
I've suspected this since day one. Scruffy1 Jan 2020 #44
Pre knowledge of market disruption is not necessary for a high speed trader to make money. Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #45
His manipulation has been so obvious it can't be missed. Vinca Jan 2020 #47
Bringin' it! YEAH! eom sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #49
Damn, I hope this can be proven Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #50
KICK... orangecrush Jan 2020 #51
Good. The SEC can trace who was behind the trades and connections can be investigated. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #52
Remember the Aluminum Tariffs? SayItLoud Jan 2020 #53
Disgusting corruption Baked Potato Jan 2020 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Timewas Jan 2020 #55
He got caught......again. oasis Jan 2020 #56
I've long suspected this extvbroadcaster Jan 2020 #58
I have said repeatedly that the Trump presidency, and BREXIT Miguelito Loveless Jan 2020 #61
"Which may have directly benefitted Trump..."...they have proof cbdo2007 Jan 2020 #62
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jan 2020 #63
good riversedge Jan 2020 #64
About frigging time! This has been obvious since the very 1st tweet KPN Jan 2020 #65
👍🏼 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #68
No day more than today. mahina Jan 2020 #66
***TRUMP DID PUMP AND DUMPS IN THE LATE 80s !!! *** Ended with a p&d of American airlines. uponit7771 Jan 2020 #67
One moron's trash talk... Kid Berwyn Jan 2020 #70
k&r thanks n/t lordsummerisle Jan 2020 #71
About time! ewagner Jan 2020 #72
K&R !!!!!! CountAllVotes Jan 2020 #74
With the market at all time highs, somebody got a good short yesterday bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #75
Trump told Mar-a-Lago patrons to expect 'Big' Iran action .. LessAspin Jan 2020 #76
Interesting ck4829 Jan 2020 #77
Good. Add this and the emoluments violations to the articles ecstatic Jan 2020 #78

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
60. Maybe a few of the public...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:46 PM
Jan 2020

but the vast majority of people know nothing about this. Hopefully many more know now. Of course none of Trump's cult will ever know, because FOX hasn't told them what to think about it, and never will.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. I already know the media's response
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jan 2020

"It's just too complicated! Nobody understands selling short! Witch hunt, because Trump said so." If that first wave of hand-waving doesn't take care of it, we'll be treated to the startling news that $180 million just isn't all that much money. Followed by a story about how raising the minimum wage by a buck an hour is so expensive.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
32. Mitch Will Stop All Legislation Don't Show Up For Confirmations Without Moving Forward On Bills
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020

The Senate is only open to put right wing nutjobs in the courts. Stay home Chuck. No bills no quarum no judges.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
73. That was exactly my gut reaction.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jan 2020

No traction because the electorate will be deemed too dim-witted to comprehend.

robbob

(3,534 posts)
57. Yes, but how to prove he's doing it to benefit certain people
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jan 2020

And leaking his intended statements to these people specifically so they can benefit? Insider trading, in other words. I mean, anyone could listen to the madman rant and then say “this probably means soybeans are going to drop in price...”, but that’s not a crime. Now, if he picks up the phone and tells investors that he’s announcing new China tariffs in the morning, so short soybean futures, that’s a whole other story.

How to prove it?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
59. Difficult to prove for sure...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:40 PM
Jan 2020

But even if he picks up the phone to his own broker the night before - that’s still a crime. All I know is if we don’t start trying - that SOB is going to make a fortune off of his White House crimes.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
10. Yes, he is. I wonder how many of his buddies sneak off to buy/sell in advance of his so...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

called announcements? Another profound reason NOT to invest in the markets when they are being so blatantly manipulated. This is fraud, through and through.

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
13. October
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jan 2020

The letter was sent months ago. I was wondering why the story fell off the radar and stocks have climbed steadily since then.

Even the timing of news stories regarding such events can be nefarious.

Any updates anyone? If true, Trump will no longer be able to say “new all-time highs in stocks” anymore.

It’s accepted that in the long-term, stock prices reflect earnings and assets. In the short-term, news events rule trading. So either it’s a story to crush traders who are short stocks, or long-term investors were just waiting for 2020 to sell and deal with the capital gains in 2020 instead of 2019 and ignored the story until now.

Like stock prices, who the fu*k knows?

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
14. This makes me smile
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:31 PM
Jan 2020

and it also makes me confused.

How can anyone vote for a guy who is openly, blatantly corrupt in everything he does?

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
18. I hope they find enough evidence of this
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jan 2020

somebody involved must have slipped up somewhere and left a record. A little string. And we can pull on it until it unravels the whole thing.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
19. The whole China Tariffs ON/OFF switch seems ripe for investigation too
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jan 2020

Tariffs. Market plunges 1700 points. No Tariffs! Up 2200. Partial tariffs on $100B merchandise. Market plunge. China retaliates. More plunge. Oops, Trump & Xi to work together. market takes off. Whoops! Impasse, $300B more tariffs. Plunge. China retaliates again. Down we go. China devalues. Stock rocket. Delay in tariffs. Partial agreement until spring. Up some more.

Somebody's playing those swings. Wilbur Ross? Mnuchin? Kudlow? Would you trust them with your money? How about your government?

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
35. &Trump used to do it in NYC: buying up a stock, then indicating he was buying that company.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jan 2020

Once its stock shot up, he'd dump the stock and only after let it be known he'd changed his mind.(and the stock would fall)

He's just pulling off the same con on a global scale using international agreements,treaties, alliances. No wonder he was determined to tear everything up from the get go...so he could get this massive grift going.

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
41. i got a fat 401k in my divorce. i bit the bullet and paid the taxes so i could get the money
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jan 2020

and invested in something i trusted.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
46. And that is how he hopes to destroy America.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jan 2020

Russia’s biggest adversary. I can imagine him dreaming about this from the time he was operating at the lower levels of the KGB. “What if I could build my country back up? Get those satellite countries back under OUR control again. Knock America down, and OUT, so they’re not a problem for us anymore. Maybe help shape a worldview that they aren’t the good guys anymore and they can no longer be trusted.

I can just see the daydreaming.

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
36. Are they saying Trump knew Iran would attack hours before?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jan 2020

A "group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis” [at] 3:50 p.m. . . . . A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure . . . ."

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
37. But if proven wouldn't the traders be the ones who committed the crime?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jan 2020

If Trump told some people details of what was about to happen it would be the investor's reaction to his statement that was illegal, not him stating it.

That is, of course, if he didn't advise them to sell. Knowing how Trump works it's unlikely he would have said something that leave him vulnerable. He always dances around topics and hints instead of stating things openly so he can deny responsibility later.
I suppose that's what this investigation is intended to reveal.

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
40. Would Trump do something like this? Yes.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jan 2020

Would he do it without somehow getting a cut of the windfall for himself? No.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
42. This crapola has probably been going on since the traitor got into office................
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:54 PM
Jan 2020

Boom......................

spanone

(135,846 posts)
43. K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

He pulls this shit a couple of times a week. Part of todays bump is him telling the media 2 days ago he'll be signing deal with China.

Trump says he will sign ‘phase one’ China trade deal on Jan. 15 at the White House

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/31/trump-says-he-will-sign-phase-one-china-trade-deal-jan-15-at-the-white-house.html

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
44. I've suspected this since day one.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

It really explains how "loyal" some of his rich supporters are. A little beforehand knowledge about trade and world events goes a long ways in the futures business. Futures are designed and used mainly as a hedge, not a profit making scheme. After all it's a zero sum ;game with a commission both ways. When someone makes a huge amount of profit almost immediately it raises many red flags.I think it would be easy to spot the corruption. Compare the list of big money Trump donors and big money winners. Bingo.

Midnight Writer

(21,769 posts)
45. Pre knowledge of market disruption is not necessary for a high speed trader to make money.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jan 2020

When you have machines running trading programs that can make thousands of trades a minute, any volatility is profitable.

To keep the richest investors happy, all Trump has to do is move the market one way or another.

For example, one day he can say he has reached a trade deal with China. Market jumps up. One week later, he announces another round of tariffs on Chinese goods. Market drops. Either way, the computers take advantage of the movement.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
47. His manipulation has been so obvious it can't be missed.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jan 2020

He says he's got a trade deal with China - when he doesn't - and stocks go up. A couple of days later he pretty much says "oh, never mind" and stocks go down. He's done this over and over and over.

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
52. Good. The SEC can trace who was behind the trades and connections can be investigated.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

Only a guess but I think they'll end up looking at Jared Kushner.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
53. Remember the Aluminum Tariffs?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

tRUMP on his private cell phone "asked an expert what he thought about putting tariffs on Aluminum" The experts name? Carl Icahn.

Don't know what the back and forth was but several days later Icahn sold all his shares in an aluminum company. Within days tRUMP announced Aluminum tariffs.

Before Trump Announced Tariffs, Icahn Sold Off Millions In ...
https://www.npr.org › 2018/03/03

This times 10 with tRUMPs tips to Russians, friends, and family. What's the old sayin? Follow the money. tRUMP and the tRUMP crime family (Kushners) are dirty.

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extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
58. I've long suspected this
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jan 2020

If you follow the stock market, you probably suspected this. Years ago, there was a book about a writer of "heard on the street" - a partner would buy or sell stock right before publication. The column would move the market a bit with good or bad news, and the heads up before it went to press provided profits. Now Trump is doing the same thing. He tips off some partner about an upcoming tweet, and they trade off it. Trump gets his taste, of course. Who knows how many ways he gets "tribute" - foreign governments staying in his hotels, him charging the US taxpayer for golf, you name it. What an out and out criminal.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
62. "Which may have directly benefitted Trump..."...they have proof
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:34 PM
Jan 2020

And they know who made the trades, otherwise they wouldn't make a statement like this.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
65. About frigging time! This has been obvious since the very 1st tweet
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:06 AM - Edit history (1)

about trade wars and/or the Fed! Geezuz!

It’s been like Alfred E. Neuman’s: “Don’t just do something, stand there!”

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
67. ***TRUMP DID PUMP AND DUMPS IN THE LATE 80s !!! *** Ended with a p&d of American airlines.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:48 AM
Jan 2020

Trump is a greasy bastard

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
72. About time!
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:08 AM
Jan 2020

These "coincidences" are getting out-of-hand....

If trump has any competent financial advisors at all, he would have known about his ability to manipulate the markets.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
75. With the market at all time highs, somebody got a good short yesterday
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

before the strike against Iran's military leader.

Timing is everything. With Trump in office, just find an extreme and go the other direction. He'll assist.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
78. Good. Add this and the emoluments violations to the articles
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jan 2020

All of this s*** needs to be documented for the history books.

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