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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCongressman Ted Lieu Accuses Trump Of Stock Market Fraud And Opens Investigation
The House of Representatives may soon be able to add a new high crime and misdemeanor to the growing list of articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump.
Specifically, Trump is suspected of manipulating futures on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange by making statements that allowed investors to turn billions of dollars in profits, some of which may have directly benefited Trump and members of his family, according to a blockbuster report from Vanity Fair:
In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. Thats when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 S&P e-miniselectronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poors 500 stock indexwhen the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabias oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.
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These and other suspicious market moves tied to statements from Trump are now under the microscope thanks to two Democrats in the House, Reps. Ted Lieu (CA) and Kathleen Rice (NY), who have written letters to multiple federal agencies, Common Dreams reports:
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Kingofalldems
(38,460 posts)rurallib
(62,426 posts)dalton99a
(81,526 posts)malaise
(269,064 posts)RFN!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)calimary
(81,323 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)but the vast majority of people know nothing about this. Hopefully many more know now. Of course none of Trump's cult will ever know, because FOX hasn't told them what to think about it, and never will.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Lexee
(377 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"It's just too complicated! Nobody understands selling short! Witch hunt, because Trump said so." If that first wave of hand-waving doesn't take care of it, we'll be treated to the startling news that $180 million just isn't all that much money. Followed by a story about how raising the minimum wage by a buck an hour is so expensive.
triron
(22,007 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)The Senate is only open to put right wing nutjobs in the courts. Stay home Chuck. No bills no quarum no judges.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)No traction because the electorate will be deemed too dim-witted to comprehend.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)erronis
(15,303 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Trumps words yo-yo the markets with predictable regularity.
robbob
(3,534 posts)And leaking his intended statements to these people specifically so they can benefit? Insider trading, in other words. I mean, anyone could listen to the madman rant and then say this probably means soybeans are going to drop in price..., but thats not a crime. Now, if he picks up the phone and tells investors that hes announcing new China tariffs in the morning, so short soybean futures, thats a whole other story.
How to prove it?
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)But even if he picks up the phone to his own broker the night before - thats still a crime. All I know is if we dont start trying - that SOB is going to make a fortune off of his White House crimes.
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)called announcements? Another profound reason NOT to invest in the markets when they are being so blatantly manipulated. This is fraud, through and through.
Kingofalldems
(38,460 posts)Jail awaits them.
Roy Rolling
(6,918 posts)The letter was sent months ago. I was wondering why the story fell off the radar and stocks have climbed steadily since then.
Even the timing of news stories regarding such events can be nefarious.
Any updates anyone? If true, Trump will no longer be able to say new all-time highs in stocks anymore.
Its accepted that in the long-term, stock prices reflect earnings and assets. In the short-term, news events rule trading. So either its a story to crush traders who are short stocks, or long-term investors were just waiting for 2020 to sell and deal with the capital gains in 2020 instead of 2019 and ignored the story until now.
Like stock prices, who the fu*k knows?
Bettie
(16,111 posts)and it also makes me confused.
How can anyone vote for a guy who is openly, blatantly corrupt in everything he does?
Bonx
(2,055 posts)mahina
(17,669 posts)That is fire!
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Another article of impeachment?
IronLionZion
(45,462 posts)somebody involved must have slipped up somewhere and left a record. A little string. And we can pull on it until it unravels the whole thing.
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)Tariffs. Market plunges 1700 points. No Tariffs! Up 2200. Partial tariffs on $100B merchandise. Market plunge. China retaliates. More plunge. Oops, Trump & Xi to work together. market takes off. Whoops! Impasse, $300B more tariffs. Plunge. China retaliates again. Down we go. China devalues. Stock rocket. Delay in tariffs. Partial agreement until spring. Up some more.
Somebody's playing those swings. Wilbur Ross? Mnuchin? Kudlow? Would you trust them with your money? How about your government?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,460 posts)Auggie
(31,174 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Nail his ass on this.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)pandr32
(11,594 posts)Mersky
(4,982 posts)tRumps been up to no good with his power to effect the markets.
cp
(6,640 posts)Good work!
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)Everything revolves around leveraging tge office to turn a buck.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)Once its stock shot up, he'd dump the stock and only after let it be known he'd changed his mind.(and the stock would fall)
He's just pulling off the same con on a global scale using international agreements,treaties, alliances. No wonder he was determined to tear everything up from the get go...so he could get this massive grift going.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I will NOT be investing in this corrupt country
I no longer trust America!
mopinko
(70,138 posts)and invested in something i trusted.
calimary
(81,323 posts)Russias biggest adversary. I can imagine him dreaming about this from the time he was operating at the lower levels of the KGB. What if I could build my country back up? Get those satellite countries back under OUR control again. Knock America down, and OUT, so theyre not a problem for us anymore. Maybe help shape a worldview that they arent the good guys anymore and they can no longer be trusted.
I can just see the daydreaming.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Controlled banking.
If I get wiped out I'm dead!
Get their plan?
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)A "group of people, sold short 120,000 S&P e-minis [at] 3:50 p.m. . . . . A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabias oil infrastructure . . . ."
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)If Trump told some people details of what was about to happen it would be the investor's reaction to his statement that was illegal, not him stating it.
That is, of course, if he didn't advise them to sell. Knowing how Trump works it's unlikely he would have said something that leave him vulnerable. He always dances around topics and hints instead of stating things openly so he can deny responsibility later.
I suppose that's what this investigation is intended to reveal.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's about time!
BKDem
(1,733 posts)Would he do it without somehow getting a cut of the windfall for himself? No.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)Boom......................
spanone
(135,846 posts)He pulls this shit a couple of times a week. Part of todays bump is him telling the media 2 days ago he'll be signing deal with China.
Trump says he will sign phase one China trade deal on Jan. 15 at the White House
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/31/trump-says-he-will-sign-phase-one-china-trade-deal-jan-15-at-the-white-house.html
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)It really explains how "loyal" some of his rich supporters are. A little beforehand knowledge about trade and world events goes a long ways in the futures business. Futures are designed and used mainly as a hedge, not a profit making scheme. After all it's a zero sum ;game with a commission both ways. When someone makes a huge amount of profit almost immediately it raises many red flags.I think it would be easy to spot the corruption. Compare the list of big money Trump donors and big money winners. Bingo.
Midnight Writer
(21,769 posts)When you have machines running trading programs that can make thousands of trades a minute, any volatility is profitable.
To keep the richest investors happy, all Trump has to do is move the market one way or another.
For example, one day he can say he has reached a trade deal with China. Market jumps up. One week later, he announces another round of tariffs on Chinese goods. Market drops. Either way, the computers take advantage of the movement.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)He says he's got a trade deal with China - when he doesn't - and stocks go up. A couple of days later he pretty much says "oh, never mind" and stocks go down. He's done this over and over and over.
sprinkleeninow
(20,252 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)orangecrush
(19,576 posts)His orange ass right out!
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)Only a guess but I think they'll end up looking at Jared Kushner.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)tRUMP on his private cell phone "asked an expert what he thought about putting tariffs on Aluminum" The experts name? Carl Icahn.
Don't know what the back and forth was but several days later Icahn sold all his shares in an aluminum company. Within days tRUMP announced Aluminum tariffs.
Before Trump Announced Tariffs, Icahn Sold Off Millions In ...
https://www.npr.org 2018/03/03
This times 10 with tRUMPs tips to Russians, friends, and family. What's the old sayin? Follow the money. tRUMP and the tRUMP crime family (Kushners) are dirty.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Third World level criminal.
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oasis
(49,392 posts)extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)If you follow the stock market, you probably suspected this. Years ago, there was a book about a writer of "heard on the street" - a partner would buy or sell stock right before publication. The column would move the market a bit with good or bad news, and the heads up before it went to press provided profits. Now Trump is doing the same thing. He tips off some partner about an upcoming tweet, and they trade off it. Trump gets his taste, of course. Who knows how many ways he gets "tribute" - foreign governments staying in his hotels, him charging the US taxpayer for golf, you name it. What an out and out criminal.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)were stock frauds.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)And they know who made the trades, otherwise they wouldn't make a statement like this.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)riversedge
(70,245 posts)KPN
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about trade wars and/or the Fed! Geezuz!
Its been like Alfred E. Neumans: Dont just do something, stand there!
mahina
(17,669 posts)Better believe he made money from this assassination.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Trump is a greasy bastard
Kid Berwyn
(14,914 posts)...is another morons treasure.
Trump is going to jail.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)These "coincidences" are getting out-of-hand....
If trump has any competent financial advisors at all, he would have known about his ability to manipulate the markets.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)What took them so long?
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)before the strike against Iran's military leader.
Timing is everything. With Trump in office, just find an extreme and go the other direction. He'll assist.
LessAspin
(1,155 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)ecstatic
(32,712 posts)All of this s*** needs to be documented for the history books.