Deep down I think the Evangelicals

[brettdale]

Know full well, that trump doesn't have a religious bone in his body.

But they know, with him in office, women and gays and minorities will be put in their place.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Exactly, they so hate women and minorities that they will risk the end of the human race

which we are now looking at with war.

I dont know what would make China attack us or what will happen WHEN we fight alongside Russia...against our European allies.

[AllaN01Bear]

31. they hate anyone whom is on the forefront of change , of color , 1 iota different ,

lbgtq and what you stated .

[Kaleva]

63. Majority of white women voted for Trump

Hillary would have cruised to victory if the percentages for that demographic would have been reversed.

[Ohiogal]

2. You are 100% correct Brettdale

[bitterross]

3. Well, yes. They are racist, misogynists at the least.

Anyone who isn't a WASP is on their list of people to fear and hate. Same list Trump uses. That's exactly why the love him.

[OMGWTF]

45. They believe that women are the root of all sin because of that insane Adam and Eve story

with the talking snake.

[bluestarone]

4. Yep true! BUT

Getting their judges put in place.

[Mike Nelson]

5. I would only add...

... they believe Jesus picked Trump and, "the Lord moves in mysterious ways."

[BeckyDem]

6. He is the vehicle, they do not care what he actually believes.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. It's not about religion any more for a lot of them.

It's all about control and maintaining their privilege by repressing women, LGBT people, PoC and immigrants. The fact that Jesus probably would see things differently doesn't matter to them.

[alittlelark]

8. My mom is one of them - an extreme version. The RAPTURE

is why she really likes him. She has been waiting for the rapture since I was in preschool (55 now). On 9/11 she was rapturous thinking it was finally going to happen - It was deeply disturbing. I could go into lots of detail about it - but I think alot of you understand.

[dewsgirl]

32. I find the whole rapture movement, absolutely terrifying.

They seem to all be following the same playbook, consequences be damned. And if we end up nuked or dead somehow, it was all a part of God's plan, not Trump's idiotic decisions.

[hatrack]

56. Best description i've yet heard

[dewsgirl]

64. I had a stepmother that was/is one of these nutjobs. Completely,

irreversibly, destroyed religion for me. Thank you, I'm going to check out some of his other work.

[smirkymonkey]

87. Kicking for later viewing

[wnylib]

77. Even scarier, there is a similar belief

about End Times in Islam. I don't know how many Muslims subscribe seriously to this belief but Islamic fundies in Iran (and elsewhere?) do.

The idea of end-of-the-world battles between good and evil with a final judgment originated in ancient Persia with Zoroastrianism. It was picked up and tweaked to fit Judaism when the Persians conquered Babylon and freed the captive Jews to return to Israel under Persian rule.

Christianity inherited the belief from its Judaic roots, tweaked again to fit Christian beliefs. Christian fundies place great literal emphasis on this belief and continually try to interpret world events to fit it.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

9. The Truth.....Evangelicals do not follow Christ......

Christ preached about Love, Tolerance, the rich caring for the poor, humility, and living a simple life.

Instead, we get these preachers who live in multi-roomed mansions, own private planes, yachts, etc. Some of the most judgemental people I know are Evangelicals. My own sister and BIL fall in that category.

[SCVDem]

59. The Prosperity Gospel

Said no real religious icon ever!

What happened to vows of poverty?

[wnylib]

79. Many years ago I had a fundie landlady

who followed the prosperity gospel. I was a college student working two jobs, one on campus and one across town. My used car was an absolute necessity for getting to classes and work.

When the car became undriveable due to a needed expensive repair, the landlady offered me a deal. She would lend the money to me if I signed the title over to her and would sell it back to me when I paid her back, plus the difference between the repair and the book value. Meantime, she would allow me to drive it to work and classes. The car, including the body, was in very good shape, except for the one repair needed.

She told me how her pastor taught that the good would prosper at the expense of the bad. If I was truly good, I would not lose the car and would be able to pay her back. The profit to her in the deal was part of God's promise to her for helping me.

I went to a college counselor with my financial problem. She referred me to the financial aid department. They sent me to the dean who said they had an emergency fund for students if a financial crisis threatened their ability to continue classes. I was on tbe dean's list and tutored other students at the college's learning center, so he arranged for me to get the money and have an affordable amount deducted regularly from my tutoring paycheck. Worked out well.

Landlady was not happy that I found my own solution. Took away my driveway parking privilege. By the time the lease expired to allow her to raise the rent or not renew it, I was ready to graduate and move on.

[Cosmocat]

81. Good story

nm

[wnylib]

88. As it turned out, the dean remembered me

from a prior incident when a visiting speaker at the student union publicly insulted the dean in front of everyone with an undeserved and inaccurate criticism. I spoke up on the facts, never realizing that the dean would later remember me as "You're the one who defended me, aren't you?"

The landlady was a real nut case on religion. She was also a cousin to a more rational friend of mine, so I hesrd a lot more about how the landlady got drawn into the prosperity gospel. Sad case of escaping a bsd reality in her life by clinging to the promises of a fundie religion.

[Cosmocat]

89. Funny how doing a good deed works

During my under grad I was taking an intro to journalism course, they brought in someone who was not a professor who worked for the local paper to teach the course.

She tended to wear black slacks, and one day leaned against the black board when she was speaking to us, getting a big line of chalk across the back of her butt.

No one said anything the rest of the class, I hung while everyone left after the class ended and told her one of the hazards of teaching was wearing black pants and leaning on blackboards. Took her a second but she got it, smiled and said thanks.

I did the math after the final and had fell a few points from getting an A, but when I got my grades, got an A.

[wnylib]

90. Yep, you formed a positive impression in her mind.

[Rizen]

10. As long as he's against abortions he could be a satan worshiper...

and they'd vote for him." Screw all the kids with PTSD from being taken from their parents and put in cages; only unborn children matter!" They're the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

[soldierant]

30. He could. But he wouldn't fit in at the Satanic Temple.

They are much better human beings than he could ever hope to be.

[Girard442]

11. Evangelicals don't have a deep down.

They never examine their faith or think about what it means in any logical way. They're taught not to.

[VOX]

33. Nailed it. A cult by any other name.

Delusional and walled off from receiving or comprehending any information based upon objective reality.

[Initech]

12. The evangelical support for the presidency has nothing, zero to do with the presidency.

It's all about getting control of the courts. They want the courts so they can start enacting Biblical law and overturning Roe V Wade. That's why they will put up with any boorish jackass who comes along as long as he says what they want to hear. It's not about him or Jesus, it's about getting control.

[LakeArenal]

27. Yes. Yes.

[VOX]

38. American Taliban.

These cultists want to control every aspect of government, which couldn’t be more antithetical to the Constitution.

[Cosmocat]

82. Y E P

Among the spattering of Trump worship garbage we see around here, someone hung a TRUMP 2020 "NO MORE BULLSHIT" banner between some trees in his front yard.

Now, at a surface level, that is galling because all the POS does is bullshit.

But, IMO, what they are saying here is that they don't even want to make a pretense of it anymore, they want to have this country be an out and out chistofascist state, no pretense of democracy.

[atreides1]

13. Exactly

And the time will come when they will be put in their place...preferably under a mound of dirt!!!!

[TNNurse]

14. I do not consider Evangelicals to be Christians at all.

Nothing they do indicates they understand the teachings of or follow Christ.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

20. A friend of mine calls them "political christians."

I call them "christianistas," but some here have called them christo-fascists. That works, too.

[paleotn]

37. Exactly.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. I disagree with you somewhat...

they have been brainwashed since Raygun to believe that anyone with a D behind their name is evil. R's are great a messaging to small minded people.

[mountain grammy]

16. Agree. This really is a culture war

Eight years with a black president and same sex marriages? what’s gonna happen next? They’re scared shitless of the world changing.

[SCVDem]

61. It's changing Alright

We will all be dead in 80 years.

[ancianita]

17. Yeah, cuz spiritually inferior people, as Jesus said, need to be put in their place.

[Joinfortmill]

18. Sadly

I think you are correct. Doesn't say much for them, does it?

[StarryNite]

19. It's a religion of convenience...

at least for old white men.

[PatrickforO]

21. Which many feel is under the thumb of old white guys n/t

[Captain Zero]

22. My latest experience

Met one who is ok with her ObamaCare plan. Loves it. But is still angry that a few years ago she tried to get Medicaid state plan and didn't qualify. She was overqualified on income, assets, and she is/was single. She still doesn't understand why 'these people' can have babies and not work and get Medicaid and she couldn't. There was so much wrong with it I was just a little stunned, bu I did say to her, I don't think Medicaid is the high lifestyle you may think it is.

[Amaryllis]

23. REmember the Rapture comes with Armagedden.

[spanone]

24. In a nutshell

[Baitball Blogger]

25. Of course. They're happy that Trump is disrupting the lives of the "right ones."

[Tertullian]

26. Christianity stands in the way of the Socialist Utopia USA.

That's clear.

[Kitchari]

28. Dominionism

Barr, Pence, Pompeo -- and who knows how many others -- (perhaps some on the Supreme Court) are Dominionists whose fervent mission is to turn our country into a theocracy.

[soldierant]

35. And they, and the Nazis, and the misgynists, and the

homophobes, and those salivating for the Rapture, are all using each other. It's quite a spectacle. It wouldbe much more fun to watch if so many people, decent people, weren't getting hurt.

[Kitchari]

39. Exactly n/t

[NoMoreRepugs]

43. The fate of the frickin planet is at stake here.

Religion is going to be at the forefront of our destruction.

[yaesu]

29. EviltRumpsters are a scary cult, like kkk, nazi scary. nt

[Still In Wisconsin]

34. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

That's their basic line of thinking.

[paleotn]

36. You are 100% correct.

As a childhood evilgelical, who still has family in that awful cult, they want nothing more than to put everyone they don't like back under their thumb, to do with as they see fit. They want hegemony again, but they ain't gonna get it. They're dying off and their children are leaving the faith. I just hope I live to see evilgelical mega-churches as empty as Anglican churches in England. Echo chambers to superstition and barbarism.

[regnaD kciN]

40. Yep. They've been indoctrinated by their leaders...

...with the notion that the most important thing is to return America to being a “Christian nation” worthy of God’s favor, and that the specific way to do that is through “pro-life” (no abortion) and “pro-family” (no tolerance for LGBTQ) policies. Thus, making sure those become the law of the land is the end that justifies any means – including almost literally “making a deal with the devil.”

Lots of fundies equate Trump to King Cyrus of (ironically enough) Persia, a pagan who reestablished the Jews in Israel after they had been exiled. Keep in mind that Cyrus was not a Jew, and there’s not even much indication that he was thought of as a particularly good man by his Jewish subjects. But he “served God’s purpose.” Similarly, I suspect many, many evangelicals realize Trump is an evil person, and expect him to wind up in Hell. But, to their minds, it doesn’t matter. As long as he can make sure America is put back on the “right road” (by ending abortion, same-sex marriage, and LGBTQ rights), they need to support him 100% in achieving those goals…and then, once they’ve gotten what they wanted, and America has become a “Christian nation” certain to be the recipient of God’s blessings, he can be abandoned to his dire fate.

[brettdale]

42. Is the reason they're pro life?

Is not so much little babies, but keeping women in their place (How dare they have sex
outside marriage) or think about making a decision for themselves, that's a man job.

[SCVDem]

62. In their twisted corn belt mind

All babies are white.

(Cotton belt also)

[NRaleighLiberal]

41. neither do they. They are simply a cult with weird services and awful music

[Botany]

44. Deep down they are no good asshole who just love liberal tears, court packing, and raw naked power

Christ Trump has 5 kids by 3 different wives, pays for sex, pays off porn stars, and has a history
of cocaine use and screwing underage little girls but they still support him.

[chwaliszewski]

46. You can't spell 'Evangelical' without the letters E, V, I, & L.

Born again? No thanks; I was born right the first time.

[lunasun]

50. +++ Born again? No thanks; I was born right the first time.

Great answer

[Hoyt]

47. Exactly. No doubt in my mind.

[Stinky The Clown]

48. Yeah. Pretty much.

[Maru Kitteh]

49. Bingo.

[progressoid]

51. Plus abortion and federal judges.

[kairos12]

52. ...and it's all about overturning Roe v. Wade.

[Dukkha]

78. from a man who no doubt parrticipated

in paying off abortions for his many past mistresses

[Submariner]

53. They don't know much, that's why they are Evangelicals

When all your thought processes revolve around the fantasy thought that an imaginary sky person created the universe in 4,000 years, where dinosaurs supposedly lived alongside humans, that makes you a pretty stupid person.

From that baseline, it's not hard to believe in an asshole that can become president and make all your anti-libtard dreams come true.

[Kablooie]

54. It's envy. They all want to be as openly evil and rich as him

[Silent3]

55. The problem is many don't have a "deep down"

The support for Trump is all visceral and shallow, just like the "faith" most of them have, ignorance and tribalism and slogans and talking points, with defense mechanisms ratcheted up so high that they never have to look at the glaring contradictions right in front of their eyes.

[scarytomcat]

57. Armageddon

they think he is the link to the return of Jesus

[dustyscamp]

58. Some of them are okay with minorities if they are useful to their cause

Link to tweet

Like this dummy with a pro-gun Coexist shirt

[dchill]

60. You are right - but that also means...

...that evangelicals don't have a religious bone, either.

[meadowlander]

65. They prefer theocracy to democracy and they don't care how they get there.

They are profoundly unAmerican.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

66. They know he will appoint pro-life judges.

And they don't care how many abortions he's paid for.

[Mariana]

67. I don't agree.

I'm pretty sure most Evangelicals have convinced themselves he is one of them. Really, it's not any crazier than all the other wacky shit they believe.

[madamesilverspurs]

68. It is puzzling.

We’re being told that many evangelicals support Trump because they see him as a modern-day Cyrus the Great. Cyrus was the founder of the Persian Empire. Somebody else saw himself as a latter-day Cyrus, but used the Hebraicized rendering of the name -- Koresh; he didn’t exactly end well. So, whatever became of Persia? These days it’s known as Iran.

I'm getting a headache.


.

[wnylib]

80. Sorry to add to your headache, but ancient

Persia was also the source of the End Times judgment idea with a final battle between good and evil, according to the Persian Zoroastrians. The idea was absorbed into Judaism, with their own interpretation during the rule of the Persian Empire.

Christianity inherited it from Judaism, with a Christian interpretation.

Iranian Muslim fundies also hold a belief in End Times battles and judgment.

[Cosmocat]

83. They are so completely full of shit

They just make ALL this shit up as the go along, regardless of how much it contradicts history, reality, what they said a second earlier ...

[Bradical79]

69. 100%

Or maybe 90%-95%. Talked to plenty, and used to be an evangelical myself. If a Republican is in office, it's because God wanted him there. You will find plenty that just hand wave it away as God using flawed man to do good.

I say 95% because there are a small number of evangelicals who are liberal or considered liberal churches. Like Jimmy Carter is an "evangelical", but obviously has an extremely different interpretation of what that means.

[rickford66]

70. They loved to warn about the Anti-Christ, but failed to recognize him.

They worship the Golden Calf. They want Armageddon to fulfill their prophesies. This is a crazy dream and I hope I wake up soon. Wait .... it's not a dream ?

[zaj]

71. Deep down, they don't either.

[Evolve Dammit]

72. "The Chosen One." God these people are brain-dead. As a co-worker said after 2016: " I just hope

he doesn't get us all fucking killed." And he is a real Christian, not a blind sheep. I know real Christians who actually help ALL people who did not vote for this lunatic.

[Mickju]

73. This applies to many of my relatives.

It is negatively affecting my health.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

74. .. and they know that every judge and justice Trump appoints will be anti-abortion.

And that's what really important, isn't it? God wants to punish every woman who becomes pregnant outside of the marriage, or wives who choose to have an abortion for personal reasons. In other words, being forced to bear and raise a child is God's punishment.

I actually heard someone I knew say that.

[ck4829]

75. Yep

[Still In Wisconsin]

76. Their current trope is "God uses imperfect people to accomplish His work."

If that's really how it works, God definitely found his guy!

[Cosmocat]

84. This highlights how hopeless it is to try to "reason" for them

The actual christian, decent, honorable and competent prior POTUS was the spawn of satan to them.

The least christian person imaginable is DOING GOD'S WORK!

There is absolutely no rationale dialogue with people so deranged as to gin themselves up to square BOTH ends of this so absurdly in their minds.

[pwb]

85. Their prayers are not working. Trump is still an asshole President and will never get better.

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[Iggo]

86. That ain't deep down.

They shout that shit from the mountain tops, from the street corners, from the pulpit, at the sportsball games, at the grocery store, on the bus, in the break room.......

That shit ain’t deep.