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OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 03:30 PM Jan 2020

International Criminal Court

>"The International Criminal Court (ICC or ICCt)[2] is an intergovernmental organization and international tribunal that sits in The Hague, Netherlands. The ICC has jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression. It is intended to complement existing national judicial systems and it may therefore exercise its jurisdiction only when certain conditions are met, such as when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals or when the United Nations Security Council or individual states refer situations to the Court."<


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

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International Criminal Court (Original Post) OxQQme Jan 2020 OP
If I remember correctly, dware Jan 2020 #1
I think that's correct. 2naSalit Jan 2020 #2
Doesn't matter - this after the Shootdown of Flight 655 in 1988 malaise Jan 2020 #3
Ok, and this has what to do with my post? dware Jan 2020 #4
One party went to the ICJ malaise Jan 2020 #5
Ok, now i get it. dware Jan 2020 #7
The ICJ is not the ICC. tritsofme Jan 2020 #6
True malaise Jan 2020 #10
That's correct, the ICC does not have jurisdiction here. tritsofme Jan 2020 #8
Thank you for that info. nt dware Jan 2020 #9

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
2. I think that's correct.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

And we have seen, ever since, why we wouldn't want to and whose interests were at stake for going that route.

Today being a good example.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
3. Doesn't matter - this after the Shootdown of Flight 655 in 1988
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

Shootdown of Flight 655

Locater map depicting Iran Air 655's origination point, destination and approximate shootdown location. (Air corridor not necessarily a direct path.)
The plane, an Airbus A300 (registered as EP-IBU), flown by 37-year-old Captain Mohsen Rezaian, a veteran pilot with 7,000 hours of flight time, left Bandar Abbas at 10:17 Iran time (UTC+03:30), 27 minutes after its scheduled departure time. It should have been a 28-minute flight. After takeoff, it was directed by the Bandar Abbas tower to turn on its transponder and proceed over the Persian Gulf. The flight was assigned routinely to commercial air corridor Amber 59, a 20-mile (32 km)-wide lane on a direct line to Dubai airport. The short distance made for a simple flight pattern: climb to 14,000 feet (4,300 m), cruise, and descend into Dubai. The airliner was transmitting the correct transponder "squawk" code typical of a civilian aircraft and maintained radio contact in English with appropriate air traffic control facilities.


Aegis screen displays in the combat information center on board Vincennes
On the morning of 3 July 1988, USS Vincennes was passing through the Strait of Hormuz returning from an escort duty.[2] A helicopter deployed from the cruiser reportedly received small arms fire from Iranian patrol vessels as it observed from high altitude. Vincennes moved to engage the Iranian vessels, in the course of which they all violated Omani waters and left after being challenged and ordered to leave by a Royal Navy of Oman warship.[21] Vincennes then pursued the Iranian gunboats, entering Iranian territorial waters to open fire. Two other US Navy ships, USS Sides and USS Elmer Montgomery, were nearby. Thus, Vincennes was in Iranian territorial waters at the time of the incident, as admitted by the U.S. government in legal briefs and publicly by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral William J. Crowe, on Nightline.[22][23] Admiral Crowe denied a U.S. government coverup of the incident and claimed that the cruiser's helicopter was over international waters initially, when the gunboats first fired upon it.[22][24]

The International Court of Justice case relating to the attack, "the Aerial Incident of July 3, 1988, (Islamic Republic of Iran v. United States of America)", was dropped on 22 February 1996 following settlement and reparations by the United States.[37]

Three years after the incident, Admiral Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[23] This contradicted earlier navy statements. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) report of December 1988 placed USS Vincennes well inside Iran's territorial waters.[38]


Everyone should read this detailed report from all sides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

dware

(12,399 posts)
4. Ok, and this has what to do with my post?
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:23 PM
Jan 2020

Not trying to be rude, just confused a bit and at my age, that's not unusual.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
5. One party went to the ICJ
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:11 PM - Edit history (1)

That's my only point.

corrected - ICJ not ICC

Thanks tritsofme

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
6. The ICJ is not the ICC.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jan 2020

The ICJ hears cases between states, the ICC prosecutes individuals for war crimes.

Neither Iraq, Iran, or the United States are parties to the Rome Statute, so the ICC would not have jurisdiction over this event.

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
8. That's correct, the ICC does not have jurisdiction here.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020

Neither Iran, Iraq, or the United States are parties to the Rome Statute.

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