Trump Ordered The Military To Ilegally Assassinate The Iranian General

[lame54]

And the military didn't blink

In fact they gave him the idea

So don't expect them to stand up against Trump's nuke fantasy

[atreides1]

1. I have no faith in the US military

And I use to wear the uniform....

[47of74]

27. Me neither

Not anymore. Not after what just happened.

[2naSalit]

2. That's what he has had in mind all along

his own mercenary army.

[dalton99a]

3. He likes to say "MY generals". They belong to him

[gladium et scutum]

4. When is assassination legal? n/t

[lame54]

5. OBL

[gladium et scutum]

6. So sending U.S. forces

into a neutral country to kill a civilian is legal? Did Congress assent to this operation before hand? Which chapter of the Hague Conventions allows this type of operation?

[lame54]

8. Not a clue - ask Eric Holder

[gladium et scutum]

9. I asked you.

What do you think?

[lame54]

18. I googled it before posting...

Im satisfied
You can do the same

This started as you calling me out for a redundancy

You weren't expecting an answer

That's what I think

[uponit7771]

10. OBL was not cabinet level of a nation state

[hack89]

12. Soleimani was in a grey area

yes, he was a government official. He was also the commander of a military force aggressively waging a series of proxy wars against the US and it's allies.

[uponit7771]

13. Not a grey area in regards to cabinet level, he as either above or at cabinet level not below now

... America's cabinet level folk are at risk.

This was an extra stupid move by Red Don, I don't remember US going around killing cabinet level and above folk without declarations of war.

[hack89]

14. That's because most cabinet secretaries don't actively lead terrorist organizations.

being a cabinet secretary is not a magic shield.

[uponit7771]

16. Designated a terrorist organization by who?!?! A trusted administration like Obama's?

Let's not get into semantics here

it's not a good idea going around killing cabinet-level members of any nation state cause that puts ours cabinet-level members on the block and none of these countries are going to decide what's best for their country based solely off US military power

[hack89]

17. US and Canada for starters

The United States Department of the Treasury designated the Quds Force under Executive Order 13224 for providing material support to US-designated terrorist organizations on 25 October 2007, prohibiting transactions between the group and U.S. citizens, and freezing any assets under U.S. jurisdiction.[97] The Government of Canada designated the Quds Force as a terrorist organization on 17 December 2012.[98] Egypt’s nominations included the organization.

If he was involved in activities that led directly to the death of Americans (which I believe - for example Quds was the conduit for sophisticated penetrating warheads for IEDs into Iraq that killed and maimed hundreds of Americans.) then he was a legitimate target.

Not saying it was a smart choice but his status in the Iranian government would be the least of my concerns.

[uponit7771]

19. The Bush and Trump administration aren't to be trusted with war and intel I don't ...

... know why they're being proffered as a credible source, cause that's what I asked for.

If Canada wants to go off and kill cabinet level leaders of nation states let them, and send their people over for the clean up too.

UN or NATO designates them as such I'll listen but they haven't so bottom line, there's ... NO ... credible source for the QUD forces being designated terrorist and if there was that's still not a reason to off cabinet level members of nation states.

A nation state doesn't have to have trillions of dollars to train white skinned snipers to blend into US society and start taking the heads of dignitaries.

Looks like the reports of 80 million for Trumps head was announced on Iranian state TV ... there's no one taking it back.

This is stupid

[hack89]

23. Ok nt

[lame54]

20. How does that change the answer?

[uponit7771]

22. The law? Assassination is prohibited by a U.S. executive order

[lame54]

24. So, Obama is a war criminal

[uponit7771]

25. False, Obama did not kill a lead of a nation state...why are RWTP on OBL being proffered here on DU?

[lame54]

26. So, my answer is correct...

I'm not sure what you are arguing

[uponit7771]

28. Not according to EO 11905, OBL was designated a military combatant by a credible administration.

... Bush and Trump administration are not credible when it comes to anything relating to war.

[lame54]

29. So, it was a legal killing

[uponit7771]

34. Yes and not an assassination cause that would make it illegal IIUC

[lame54]

36. So, we're in complete agreement

[uponit7771]

37. No, cause you intimated OBL was a legal assassination ... his killing was not an assassination

[lame54]

38. I concede...

I was attributing assassination to the style of killing and not the legality of it

[uponit7771]

7. K&R, My understanding is we're under treaty not to kill cabinet level officials of nations states.

If its not law then it should be, we just don't go around offing high level state officials

[gratuitous]

11. I agree

My own Senator Ron Wyden expressed the belief over the weekend that the military wouldn't carry out illegal orders from the President. I'd really like it if Wyden were right, but I don't think he is. In the face of the Eddie Gallagher pardon, it will take extraordinary courage for a career officer to say no to an illegal order, and it's going to take a lot more than one officer saying no.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. You have those evangelicals in the Air Force Academy--to them, this is more of a Holy Crusade.

[edhopper]

21. There is a reason Vietnam made many of us disdain the military.

I am disturbed by the over the top reverence they now are given.

[AkFemDem]

30. Just curious, how do you feel about Obama's targeted killing of

Anwar Al-Aulaqi?

[lame54]

31. I don't remember that one

[AkFemDem]

32. Link inside

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

[lame54]

33. Much more grey

[uponit7771]

35. Not a leader in a nation state, not the same thing according to EO 11905