Trump will blame someone else for this!

[imanamerican63]

He is a crooked coward and has no one to blame but himself!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. He'll blame Obama. Just wait.

[BigmanPigman]

2. Or Hillary, or Biden or Pelosi.......

Or the dog that ate his homework years ago.

[fierywoman]

13. Obama. Benghazi. Her Emails. Mexican rapists. Mexican drug lords. ...

[Blue_true]

17. I believe he and his goons already have.

I think I read that they said the President Obama should have killed the General years ago. A subtle way of blaming President Obama for what Trump did.

[Maru Kitteh]

21. Too late. FOX already did. Obama gave them the money to do this, dontcha know.

[dewsgirl]

26. You have comment #+1 the last comment #+25 He blamed Obama.

[CaptYossarian]

27. It's Party First! Or else it would go to Jared who's supposed to fix the Middle East.

[at140]

3. Why did Iran attack American embassy in Baghdad?

Before that attack Iran attacked oil refineries in Saudi Arabia.
And recently Iran shot down an American drone.

So looks like Iran drew the first blood.

[Liberalhammer]

6. Trump took the bait

To fulfill Netanyahu's and Putin's orders.

[karynnj]

10. It depends where you start

The US pulled out of the nuclear deal, that Iran was complying with and both put the sanctions back and added secondary sanctions on any other country that violated OUR sanctions. That was a more consequential attack than the Iran attack on the Saudi Arabian air fields.

[Caliman73]

12. Agreed.

It is easy to say that Iran attacked first. You have to look at our history in the region. We have been messing with Iran for a LONG time, but recently we have been fighting a proxy war with Iran in Yemen as well.

[at140]

16. Oh yes, as a young teenager, I still remember Mohammad Mosaddegh

who was the 35th prime minister of Iran, holding office from 1951 until 1953, when his government was overthrown in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état orchestrated by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency and the United Kingdom's MI6.

The sooner we get all our troops out of middle-east, the better. We don't even need their oil anymore.
China and Japan need that oil, so let them spend the money to keep order in middle-east. We are in debt to our eye-balls and it is stupid to spend Billions on military operations in middle-east and many other places for that matter. WWII was over 83 years ago and we still have troops in Germany with borrowed money? Ditto with Korea.

[at140]

15. I have not studied the Iran nuclear deal to make any

meaningful statement if it was good or bad, but I did not like us sending Iran plane loads of cash as a bribe for whatever reason. Iran has done nothing to deserve $1.6 Billion in cash. The Obama administration and the European Union both had designated general Suleimani as a terrorist leader, so I won't shed any tears over his demise either.

As for Iran building nukes, why we have no problem with Pakistan and N. Korea possessing nukes?
Pakistan is a country where Osama Bin Laden enjoyed a 85% approval rating. It is the country which conceived and created and funded Taliban in Afghanistan, and Taliban gave sanctuary to Osama and his terror camps to train for the 911 attack. And where did Osama find final sanctuary? In Pakistan, 2 blocks from their military academy!

[karynnj]

20. You are repeating debunked right wing lies. There was no bribe

The US did settle a debt that they owed Iran for money frozen back in the 1970s. It was independent of the nuclear deal that was not just between the US and Iran. It also involved the UK, France, Germany, China and Russia and passed the UN security council unanimously.

Even Trumps original national security team advised him it was working.

[karynnj]

23. Because there were still constraints on Iran accessing the banking system

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If they could have used the banking system they would have. Not to mention, you say that the bills were untraceable. You actually do not know that. Not to mention, bank transfers would simply show that the money went to the Iranian government. You would see nothing beyond that. Also, it was closer to $50 million and not all from the US.

The US was under n international judgement that they owed Iran that money. Not to mention, at the time it was given, Iran was in the process of looking at buying things like commercial planes and other goods that could help their economy. The bet that people like Rouhani made was that it was important for Iranians to see their lives improve. Trump eliminated the possibility of buying anything from us or any country that wanted to have economic ties with us when he pulled out of the deal and doubled down on the sanctions.

If you look at 2015 and 2016, there were FEWER attacks from proxies of Iran. Instead Iran was fighting ISIS (deconflicting with the US in doing so) and they were a party to the UN/Kerry effort to get a ceasefire in Yemen with a goal of a long term peace plan. It was the UAE and SA who blew up that effort after they agreed to it. In addition, Iran and Russia joined the US in getting a UN resolution on how to return to stability in Syria. In that time frame, Iran, while still not a good force in the region was more cooperative than it had been.

Trump leaving the Iran deal and putting the punishing sanctions into effect GAVE power to people like Suleimani and the IRG and weakened the power of people like Rouhani and Zarif.

[rockfordfile]

28. yeah that person is trying to spread right-wing lies

[karynnj]

29. I responded to try to correct some of them - it is so riddled with Trump meme lies it is hard

to correct all of them. It was in case he believed he was posting truth and to have it not go challenged by others reading.

Trump has a way of deliberately changing timelines. Both Ben Rhodes and Susan Rice in interviews have pointed out that when the Iran deal was in effect, Iran was not attacking the US. He ignores those years - blaming all the attacks AFTER HE PULLED OUT AND PUT DEVASTATING NEW SANCTIONS into effect. This completely distorts both the effectiveness of the nuclear deal and blames it for reaction to things he did.

I noticed in one of teh articles on his speech (I could not listen because he is infuriating) that he was asking for NATO et al to get more involved in Middle eastern things (ignoring they were fighting ISIS and got NO heads up when he targeted Soulemani and that they were partners in the Iran Deal.) AND he spoke of new sanctions.

Does not seem the way to negotiate. Not to mention, who in his hallowed out State Department could represent the US - Pompeo??

[Blue_true]

18. Pulling out of the nuclear deal and imposing harsh sanctions would

count as drawing first blood in my book. Before that Iran was slowly migrating back into the world of nations and moving away from being solely a Russian client. Now, I don't know where things are headed.

If what someone posted on DU about Iran purposely blasting a part of the US bases that didn't contain troops is correct, the Iranians used seriously accurate missles to send a message.

[at140]

19. I hope peace and tranquility will takeover Iran

because it is going broke, and natives are getting restless. Iran needs to get rid of people similar to Qassem Suleimani who was designated terrorist by the European Union and Obama Administration.

[C_U_L8R]

4. He can blame everyone.

But he's still got to figure out how to stop this. This idiot is totally incompetent.

[Newest Reality]

5. Or maybe...

The most insidious aspect of this is that he will use war as a means to mess the country up by evoking war powers. There is something valuable he wants for himself and Putin here and it is not obvious to everyone, yet.

I don't think he cares about blame or anything but gaining more power and keeping it. This, to me, his modus oporandi and has been all along.

I would like to think that this war is just because he is a bumbling fool with no strategy or understanding, but I don't think that is the case.

[Liberalhammer]

7. I agree

King for life.

[Newest Reality]

8. Yup!

You could say it is tatooted on his forehead.

And that, has been my worst fear about him being in office, along side all the grief and destruction he has already brought.

I guess we will see. The war will probably make things more obvious as he responds. The cards may be on the table and called.

[uponit7771]

9. Obama is first on the list

[keithbvadu2]

11. GOPers are already blaming Pelosi, Schiff and Pelosi. HIllary too, I think.

GOPers are already blaming Pelosi, Schiff and Pelosi. HIllary too, I think.

[fierywoman]

14. And Kerry for making that *terrible* {{{sarcasm}}} deal with Iran.

[gratuitous]

24. So far, they haven't blamed Socks the Cat

So that's something, I guess.

[kentuck]

25. He blamed Obama.

Just as many predicted.