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(31,112 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Iran is prime real estate to them and China is already heavily invested in the country.
How far that will carry over remains to be seen. I suspect Iran could easily become their proxy.
triron
(22,007 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)I'd be surprised if they did it publicly, but neither does Russia. Both are still soft allies of convenience with Iran.
I dug up this semi recent article on relations between Iran and China. It helps show how China has plans there. Also, China has a (rather expansive) naval base in Pakistan. Which brings Iran's location (Indian Ocean) even more into play.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/05/chinas-great-game-in-iran/
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Said the killing violated "basic norms of international relations".
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/chinas-response-to-the-soleimani-killing/
They, at the least, lean to backing Iran.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Its existing proven reserves are of some 150 billion barrels, Mr Rouhani said.
It has the world's fourth-biggest oil reserves and second-largest gas reserves, and shares a massive offshore field in the Persian Gulf with Qatar.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50365235
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)China, Russia and Iran.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)4 days starting on the 27th.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/china-russia-iran-joint-naval-drills-191227183505159.html
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)... The next question is, how will regional powers react to a US-Iran war?... Currently, Chinas reaction is to urge both Iran and the US to maintain calm and de-escalate tensions, and closely monitor the situation. Beijing does not want war and needs Mideast stability to pursue the Belt and Road Initiative Eurasian integration plan. It has large stakes in Irans stability: It is the largest buyer of Iranian oil, China is Irans largest trading partner, and Iran is a key geographic node for the BRI.
... Geography matters in geopolitics and the Gulf of Oman separates not only Oman and Iran but also Oman and Pakistan, where China has completed a state-of-the-art port at Gwadar. It is a hinge uniting the Middle East, the South Asian subcontinent and East Asia in Chinas BRI. China is also a net importer of oil and obtains half its supply from the Persian Gulf. Yet the US Navy maintains control of the sea lines of communications. As such, China is worried about, first, US restriction of Chinas oil imports over a clash across the Taiwan Strait or in the South China Sea and, second, events abroad that might lead to price volatility hurting the Chinese economy. Most important, China needs Iran in the east flank of the Persian Gulf to prevent a full blockade by the US.
https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/01/article/could-china-take-irans-side-in-a-war-with-us/ Navy.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)... hold joint naval drills in Gulf of Oman. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/27/asia/china-russia-iran-military-drills-intl-hnk/index.html
Coincidence? Unlikely.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)unseen Elephant in the room at this point. Believe China was helping Iran with various Electronic and Electronic Tech hardware as well as Engineering .
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)Military
China is believed to have helped Iran militarily in the following areas: conducting training of high-level officials on advanced systems, providing technical support, supplying specialty steel for missile construction, providing control technology for missile development, and building a missile factory and test range. It is rumored that China is responsible for aiding in the development of advanced conventional weapons including surface-to-air missiles, combat aircraft, radar systems, and fast-attack missile vessels.[18]
It was not until the 1990s that the relationship between China and Iran came under close scrutiny by the United States. From this scrutiny, it became known that China was using North Korea to traffic arms during the Iran-Iraq war to avoid antagonizing the West but later cut out the middle man. In the years of 1984-1986, about $1-2 billion worth of arms sales occurred.[38] And then in 1986, Iran obtained Chinese-made anti-ship surface-to-surface missiles that posed a threat to Persian Gulf shipping.[18] In possessing these missiles, Iran is able to control the Strait of Hormuz and all of the naval trade to and from the Gulf countries.[38]
In later inquiries, it was discovered that China sold Iran precursor and dual-use chemicals and the technology and equipment needed to use them.[18] In 1996, the Washington Post reported that China was supplying chemical weapons plants in Iran that were destined for the Army. Arms exports began to steadily decline in the 1990s yet China engaged in $400 million worth of arms transfer agreements with Iran. Sales increased to $600 million from 1997-2000. On average, it is estimated that China made $171 million per year in arms exports to Iran since 1982.[39]
Nuclear weapons
Nuclear cooperation began in the 1980s when China helped build a research reactor and supply four other research reactors. Continued aid came in the form of helping Iran construct a uranium hexafluoride enrichment plant near Isfahan and the resumption of construction on a nuclear power plant at Bushehr that was left uncompleted by the French and Germans. In 1991, nuclear exports to Iran were discovered by the International Atomic Energy Association, which contained three types of uranium. A 1990 covert nuclear agreement was also discovered.[39] This discovery was followed by an unprecedented nuclear cooperation agreement in 1992. The agreement was signed despite U.S. protests to have China limit its nuclear cooperation with Iran.[40]
Direct nuclear cooperation has ended but there is speculation over whether there remains indirect nuclear cooperation.[39] For example, in 2005 seven Chinese firms were suspected of selling nuclear weapons technology and all 7 had sanctions placed upon them. Those firms were banned from trading with the United States for two years.[41] There also continues to be Chinese nuclear experts, scientists, and technicians present in Iran.[39]
In 2015 China was part of the Iran nuclear deal framework. Now, China opposes Iran's possible production and possession of nuclear weapons but does not see the urgency to stop it.[18]
UN sanctions
At first Iran did not originally support China's bid for United Nations membership but did not veto. It wasn't until 1969 that Iran displayed open support for China's membership.[16] Now, Iran relies on China's membership and especially Chinese veto power on the Security Council to protect it from US-led sanctions.[19]
China is known for its preference of diplomacy over sanctions. This tradition includes China's (along with Russia's) opposition to UN sanctions against Iran.[18] In 1980, China refused to support the UN arms embargo against Iran and further abstained from voting on US sanctions against Iran.[16]
Only in 2010 under US pressure, did China join Russia[18][42] to support the UN sanctions on Iran.[20][43]
In 2018 the US ordered Canada to arrest and detain Meng Wanzhou, CFO of Huawei, for 'illegally dealing with' and allegedly violating sanctions against Iran.[44]
boomer_wv
(673 posts)China would not back Iran. Their relationship with the US is much more important than their relationship with Iran.
China is self-interested and they aren't a rogue state.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Russia, China, and Iran had 4-day joint military exercises beginning on Dec. 27th
From CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/27/asia/china-russia-iran-military-drills-intl-hnk/index.html
..or Aljazeera
China, Russia and Iran begin joint naval drills
The four-day exercise in the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Oman comes at a time of heightened tensions between US and Iran.
27 Dec 2019
Iran has kicked off the first joint naval drill with Russia and China in the northern part of the Indian Ocean, Iranian state TV has reported.
The four-day exercise comes at a time of heightened tensions since the United States withdrew from a landmark 2015 nuclear deal with Iran in May last year.
"The message of this exercise is peace, friendship and lasting security through cooperation and unity ... and its effect will be to show that Iran cannot be isolated," Rear Admiral Gholamreza Tahani said on state television.
More: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/china-russia-iran-joint-naval-drills-191227183505159.html