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Does China back Iran? (Original Post) triron Jan 2020 OP
GREAT question, I want to know too...NUKES is what I worry about Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #1
China backs Iran in that they're strategically located for them. herding cats Jan 2020 #2
If this escalates China may get involved? triron Jan 2020 #5
Perhaps? herding cats Jan 2020 #6
China called the US reckless when it killed Soleimani ck4829 Jan 2020 #3
Does Iran have oil? dem4decades Jan 2020 #4
It has massive amounts of oil reserves Politicub Jan 2020 #10
China just might find then very attractive. dem4decades Jan 2020 #12
War games planned for this month safeinOhio Jan 2020 #7
they had them in December stillcool Jan 2020 #17
I posted this quote from Asia Times bronxiteforever Jan 2020 #8
China, Iran and Russia ... GeorgeGist Jan 2020 #9
China and Russia won't get involved but they'll enjoy the chaos. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2020 #11
China appears to be the Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #13
Yep dalton99a Jan 2020 #16
In the end.... boomer_wv Jan 2020 #14
interestingly enough... stillcool Jan 2020 #15

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
2. China backs Iran in that they're strategically located for them.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jan 2020

Iran is prime real estate to them and China is already heavily invested in the country.

How far that will carry over remains to be seen. I suspect Iran could easily become their proxy.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
6. Perhaps?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:44 PM
Jan 2020

I'd be surprised if they did it publicly, but neither does Russia. Both are still soft allies of convenience with Iran.

I dug up this semi recent article on relations between Iran and China. It helps show how China has plans there. Also, China has a (rather expansive) naval base in Pakistan. Which brings Iran's location (Indian Ocean) even more into play.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/05/chinas-great-game-in-iran/

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
3. China called the US reckless when it killed Soleimani
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jan 2020

Said the killing violated "basic norms of international relations".

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/chinas-response-to-the-soleimani-killing/

They, at the least, lean to backing Iran.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
10. It has massive amounts of oil reserves
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jan 2020
Iran is one of the world's largest oil producers, with exports worth billions of dollars each year.
Its existing proven reserves are of some 150 billion barrels, Mr Rouhani said.
It has the world's fourth-biggest oil reserves and second-largest gas reserves, and shares a massive offshore field in the Persian Gulf with Qatar.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50365235

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
8. I posted this quote from Asia Times
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:59 PM
Jan 2020

... The next question is, how will regional powers react to a US-Iran war?... Currently, China’s reaction is to urge both Iran and the US to maintain calm and de-escalate tensions, and closely monitor the situation. Beijing does not want war and needs Mideast stability to pursue the Belt and Road Initiative Eurasian integration plan. It has large stakes in Iran’s stability: It is the largest buyer of Iranian oil, China is Iran’s largest trading partner, and Iran is a key geographic node for the BRI.

... Geography matters in geopolitics and the Gulf of Oman separates not only Oman and Iran but also Oman and Pakistan, where China has completed a state-of-the-art port at Gwadar. It is a hinge uniting the Middle East, the South Asian subcontinent and East Asia in China’s BRI. China is also a net importer of oil and obtains half its supply from the Persian Gulf. Yet the US Navy maintains control of the sea lines of communications. As such, China is worried about, first, US restriction of China’s oil imports over a clash across the Taiwan Strait or in the South China Sea and, second, events abroad that might lead to price volatility hurting the Chinese economy. Most important, China needs Iran in the “east flank” of the Persian Gulf to prevent a full blockade by the US.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/01/article/could-china-take-irans-side-in-a-war-with-us/ Navy.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
13. China appears to be the
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020

unseen Elephant in the room at this point. Believe China was helping Iran with various Electronic and Electronic Tech hardware as well as Engineering .

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
16. Yep
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jan 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Iran_relations

Military

China is believed to have helped Iran militarily in the following areas: conducting training of high-level officials on advanced systems, providing technical support, supplying specialty steel for missile construction, providing control technology for missile development, and building a missile factory and test range. It is rumored that China is responsible for aiding in the development of advanced conventional weapons including surface-to-air missiles, combat aircraft, radar systems, and fast-attack missile vessels.[18]

It was not until the 1990s that the relationship between China and Iran came under close scrutiny by the United States. From this scrutiny, it became known that China was using North Korea to traffic arms during the Iran-Iraq war to avoid antagonizing the West but later cut out the middle man. In the years of 1984-1986, about $1-2 billion worth of arms sales occurred.[38] And then in 1986, Iran obtained Chinese-made anti-ship surface-to-surface missiles that posed a threat to Persian Gulf shipping.[18] In possessing these missiles, Iran is able to control the Strait of Hormuz and all of the naval trade to and from the Gulf countries.[38]

In later inquiries, it was discovered that China sold Iran precursor and dual-use chemicals and the technology and equipment needed to use them.[18] In 1996, the Washington Post reported that China was supplying chemical weapons plants in Iran that were destined for the Army. Arms exports began to steadily decline in the 1990s yet China engaged in $400 million worth of arms transfer agreements with Iran. Sales increased to $600 million from 1997-2000. On average, it is estimated that China made $171 million per year in arms exports to Iran since 1982.[39]

Nuclear weapons

Nuclear cooperation began in the 1980s when China helped build a research reactor and supply four other research reactors. Continued aid came in the form of helping Iran construct a uranium hexafluoride enrichment plant near Isfahan and the resumption of construction on a nuclear power plant at Bushehr that was left uncompleted by the French and Germans. In 1991, nuclear exports to Iran were discovered by the International Atomic Energy Association, which contained three types of uranium. A 1990 covert nuclear agreement was also discovered.[39] This discovery was followed by an unprecedented nuclear cooperation agreement in 1992. The agreement was signed despite U.S. protests to have China limit its nuclear cooperation with Iran.[40]

Direct nuclear cooperation has ended but there is speculation over whether there remains indirect nuclear cooperation.[39] For example, in 2005 seven Chinese firms were suspected of selling nuclear weapons technology and all 7 had sanctions placed upon them. Those firms were banned from trading with the United States for two years.[41] There also continues to be Chinese nuclear experts, scientists, and technicians present in Iran.[39]

In 2015 China was part of the Iran nuclear deal framework. Now, China opposes Iran's possible production and possession of nuclear weapons but does not see the urgency to stop it.[18]

UN sanctions

At first Iran did not originally support China's bid for United Nations membership but did not veto. It wasn't until 1969 that Iran displayed open support for China's membership.[16] Now, Iran relies on China's membership and especially Chinese veto power on the Security Council to protect it from US-led sanctions.[19]

China is known for its preference of diplomacy over sanctions. This tradition includes China's (along with Russia's) opposition to UN sanctions against Iran.[18] In 1980, China refused to support the UN arms embargo against Iran and further abstained from voting on US sanctions against Iran.[16]

Only in 2010 under US pressure, did China join Russia[18][42] to support the UN sanctions on Iran.[20][43]

In 2018 the US ordered Canada to arrest and detain Meng Wanzhou, CFO of Huawei, for 'illegally dealing with' and allegedly violating sanctions against Iran.[44]
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
14. In the end....
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jan 2020

China would not back Iran. Their relationship with the US is much more important than their relationship with Iran.

China is self-interested and they aren't a rogue state.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
15. interestingly enough...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

Russia, China, and Iran had 4-day joint military exercises beginning on Dec. 27th
From CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/27/asia/china-russia-iran-military-drills-intl-hnk/index.html

..or Aljazeera

China, Russia and Iran begin joint naval drills
The four-day exercise in the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Oman comes at a time of heightened tensions between US and Iran.

27 Dec 2019
Iran has kicked off the first joint naval drill with Russia and China in the northern part of the Indian Ocean, Iranian state TV has reported.

The four-day exercise comes at a time of heightened tensions since the United States withdrew from a landmark 2015 nuclear deal with Iran in May last year.

"The message of this exercise is peace, friendship and lasting security through cooperation and unity ... and its effect will be to show that Iran cannot be isolated," Rear Admiral Gholamreza Tahani said on state television.

More: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/china-russia-iran-joint-naval-drills-191227183505159.html

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