Ukraine President orders criminal investigation into Tehran plane crash.

[RandySF]

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[OnDoutside]

1. Hmmm....what are the odds ...

[bobGandolf]

2. I've been wondering about the crash.

It seems like the timing, location of departure, and location of crash site, are immediately suspecft. Makes my radar start beeping.

[wnylib]

4. Suspicious of whom? Ukrsine is not

a player in the Iran/US conflict. I would suspect Russia for an attack on a Ukrainian plane, with no vonnevtion to Iran or the US.

[hlthe2b]

8. RUssia can only do its dirty work on Russian soil?

[wnylib]

14. I gave a more detailed post after my first one

and after looking up more info on the crash. Sure, Russia operates anywhere, as Brits certainly know. But look at the nationalities of passengers in my later post. From that list, it is not Russians I would suspect IF it seemed like a deliberate attack.

Right now I'm thinking a missile firing error.

[SkyDaddy7]

5. I totally understand the suspicion...

Given the timing & the plane taking off & crashing in Iran...But can you fill me in on your feelings about "...location of departure, and location of crash site..."

...Or, are you basically saying the same thing?

Having said that, I always CRINGE when foreign leaders &/or heads of foreign airlines release statements like this immediately upon news that one of their planes has crashed...

"...Ukraine International Airlines refused to comment on the cause of the crash. However airline president Yevhenii Dykhne did say that Tehran airport is "not a simple airport." A pilot requires "several years" of training at the airport, said Dyknhe at a press conference in Kiev. "It is impossible that there were mistakes by the crew," he said."

...YIKES!

...Iran said they're opening an investigation but it appears they (Iran) may think it was due to mechanical failure...??? There sure were a lot of Canadians on that flight!! The majority of passengers were Canadians (63) if reports are correct.

[bobGandolf]

18. I basically meant what you said.

Yeah, have to wonder when you hear one like that. Before the crash did anyone know it was a difficult airport to take-off and land?
Mechanical failure...that was quick!

[SkyDaddy7]

19. Gotcha!

...Yeah it was! I think maybe they said that because the plane, or the pilots, attempted to turn the plane around immediately after taking off...So they are saying, anyway.

[canetoad]

3. I'm liking Zelinskyy

May be coincidence; investigate and find the truth.

[Amishman]

7. The 737 is the most common airliner in the world

And have been produced for decades.

Apart from the software problems on the most recent revision, they have been reliable workhorses of global air travel for a generation.

Poorly trained troops manning air defense weapons at a time when an attack from the world's largest military, some hyped up grunt misread their radar. I don't for a second believe the mechanical failure story.

[cwydro]

13. This was not a 737 Max.

737s are flying all over the world, every day.

[tirebiter]

17. For the record I Iretract the snark

In the haze of sleepy ness I thought this was a max.

[gab13by13]

9. Was anyone important on the plane?

I know every life is important, just asking.

[wnylib]

11. I would like to know the passenger list, too.

It would really look bad if somebody connected to world events was on board. But so far, nobody has mentioned the loss of an ambassador, etc. It would immediately be made known if such a person died in the crash.

One thing not.getting much attention that I heard on a BBC radio broadcast is that the crash occurred in a heavily populated area of poor people. Likely many deaths on tbe ground.

[wnylib]

10. This was NOT the 737 Max that was responsible

for ptevious crashes. It was a 737-800. Totally different plane. According to WaPo, it was 3 yesrs old, bought new, and had regular maintenance check on Monday. Due to the "complexity" of the Iranian airport, Ukraine says it uses only experienced pilots and crew at this airport.

Because of the good record of this plane model and the very recent maintenance check, Zelensky does not believe the crash was caused by mechanical problems. Due to the experience of the crew, he does not believe it was human error.

WaPo gave this breakdown of passengers, released from Ukraine: 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians (9 of them were crew), 10 Swedes, 4 Afghans, 3 Britons. Iran gave a much higher number of Iranians, which suggests dual citizenship. (Canadian and Iranian?)

I was not immediately suspicious of the crash, but it is beginning to look like a military error, a missile gone astray due maybe to error on coordinates? US and several other nations have banned flights in the region for their airlines.

That's all I got from WaPo.

One speculation that falls into ct territory is that if the crash was not due to missile firing error, it might have been a deliberate strike to make it look like an Iranian missile error. Zelensky has apparently heard ct rumors because he requested that people refrain from speculation and wait for facts. The flight data recorder has been recovered.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. Anyone else thinking sabotage?

Not sure by whom—the Iranians? The Americans? The Russians?

Depends what narrative you’d want to advance, I suppose.

[wnylib]

15. Or maybe the nationalities of the passengers

offer clues. The majority were Iranian.

[Baclava]

16. 63 Canadians killed in Iran crash

SHAHEDSHAHR, IRAN -- Dozens of Canadians were among the 176 people killed in a plane crash just minutes after taking off from the Iranian capital's main airport, Ukraine's minister of foreign affairs said.

Vadym Prystaiko said 63 Canadians, 82 Iranians and 11 Ukrainians were on board-- the Ukrainian nationals included two passengers and the nine crew. There were also 10 Swedish, four Afghan, three German and three British nationals.

It remains unclear what happened. Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran's Road and Transportation Ministry, said it appeared a fire struck one of its engines.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/63-canadians-killed-in-plane-crash-near-tehran-ukrainian-official-1.4757783