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1. I want to express this carefully cause I don't want to minimize anything that results in loss of life. But missiles flying back/forth in Mid East is all too common (something US can handle) & not what makes me nervous about the Soleimani situation
Dan Lamothe
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U.S. defense official confirms that Al Asad air base in Iraq's Anbar province has been hit by at least six rockets tonight. Additional details unclear. But very credible source.
2. What makes me nervous is illustrated in the WSJ story. The Iranian government has always operated on its own timeline. If you think Iran lobbing missiles over the border is the kind of revenge they ultimately have in mind, you're wrong.
https://on.wsj.com/2QYlSMP
Iran has pledged to retaliate after the killing of one of its top military commanders. Tehran has retaliated before when officials and allies were targeted, choosing sites from Thailand and India to...
3. Example: In 2012, assassins kill an Iranian nuclear chemist (likely directed by Israel). Iran promises revenge.
Where does the ultimate revenge take place?
A month later in Georgia, India and Thailand where Israeli diplomats are targeted with bombshttps:
https://on.wsj.com/2QYlSMP
Where did Iran retaliate?
In Buenos Aires with a truck bomb driven into the Israeli embassy. That attack killed 29 people
Another attack two years later took place at the Jewish Community Center killing 85 people
4. Example: In 1992, IDF killed the Sec General of Hezbollah
Where did Iran retaliate?
In Buenos Aires with a truck bomb driven into the Israeli embassy. That attack killed 29 people
Another attack two years later took place at the Jewish Community Center killing 85 people
5. Those examples are pretty tight timelines for Iranians. The Iranian gov sees revenge as almost a generational thing...their timeline can be in months/years. Revenge always doesn't come via a show of force they take PUBLIC credit for.
6. So what I'm saying is all these people with their chest thumping, I would be cautious about what you see as Iranian revenge and unfortunately prepare yourselves for the kind of attacks that are unexpected, that don't follow a tight timeline, and show up where you least expect
7. If people think that this is it...that Iran has chosen to retaliate against the US for killing the second most powerful man in Iran, by lobbing some missiles across the border that didn't result in US casualties then I have a bridge to sell you
Katty Kay
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If there are no US casualties, and the White House takes its time assessing reaping then there could be a window for de-escalation. Iran tonight saying it will halt attacks if US doesnt respond to these rocket strikes.
8. I can't believe I'm seeing people saying that this was a face saving move by Iran and now that there haven't been any US casualties, that we should move on.
The level of naivety is astonishing.
Do people really think this is how Iran is going to retaliate?
9. Read Jakes tweet...for those of you thinking this is just a weak response from Iran & that theyre terrified of the US mil, ask yourself if this how a nation that has funded attacks globally would respond to the killing of its most important General
Jake Tapper
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US military official & sr admin official tell @rabrowne75 and @PamelaBrownCNN that the *initial* assessment is that the Iranian missiles struck areas of the al-Asad base not populated by Americans though US is awaiting daylight to get a full assessment. Iraqi casualties reported.
10. That may very well be true, but if people think this is the only way Iranians will respond then theyre unaware of the reality. So while POTUS is taking the off ramp, the Iranians will sit and wait and do what they want and when they want to do it.
11. The problem is so many people have thought about this situation through the lens of conventional warfare. So they believe if there is no conventional warfare that the situation has deescalated.
But conventional warfare should have never been the concern!
10:26 PM - Jan 7, 2020
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Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Everyone needs to understand this!
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)If I were Pence, I'd find Dick Cheney's bunker ASAP...
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)All three should bunk up under the smiling portrait of Dick Cheney in his old "undisclosed location".
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Unfortunately.
Takket
(21,575 posts)But Iran is going to go right back to working in the shadows, supporting militias and terrorist networks, etc. basically exactly what Soleimani was doing already only now the attacks will increase. Eventually when everyones guard is down well realize the pain of their anger.
Dennis Donovan
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Jennifer Griffin ✔ @JenGriffinFNC
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Pentagon believes there was a political decision taken in Tehran NOT to kill Americans - that is why target at Al Asad chosen - large base with a lot of empty space. Even within that target, the Iranians chose to hit dirt rather than runways etc so as not to escalate militarily.
Jennifer Griffin ✔ @JenGriffinFNC
US military source: The Iranian response was for domestic political consumption and designed to cause minimal damage, that according to the Pentagons latest assessment.
2:05 PM - Jan 8, 2020
Not over, IMO.
Dennis Donovan
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Jennifer Griffin ✔ @JenGriffinFNC
Gen Mark Milley says he believes the Iranians wanted to kill Americans based on the targets the missiles hit. "I believe based on what I saw and what I know is that they were intended to cause structural damage, destroy vehicles and equipment and aircraft and to kill personnel."
5:17 PM - Jan 8, 2020
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Duppers
(28,125 posts)There are DUers who need to read this.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Theyre not going anywhere and have all the time in the world to wait. If we had sensible leadership, wed not be in this position.